2023 Recruitment & Retention Thread

waynesworld said:
There aren’t 34 NRL hookers out there though. The Melbourne Storm for example are universally agreed as the most professionally run club in the comp, but if Grant goes down they’re left with Jayden Nikorima or Tyran Wishart playing hooker.

We had a look at Randall last year and saw how poorly he went, and somehow managed to convince the Titans to let us have Marzhew for him. Also seems like we may have had some bad luck with Riley Jones breaking his arm as I reckon he’d have been pushing for that 14 jersey to share the hooking role with Crossland if he’d been injury free this year.
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that's true , but also Storm have Pezet ready at 7 , Meany a player ready for Paps at 1. The Knights knew the odds of Brailey going down again are high yet in appears made zero contingency plan.

The competition for a spot in the 17 pushes players to perform. Was it last year that Dsaf was crap and was allowed to stay in the side when he had no right to be there ? The players know they wont be dropped and perform accordingly .
 
Area51 said:
that's true , but also Storm have Pezet ready at 7 , Meany a player ready for Paps at 1. The Knights knew the odds of Brailey going down again are high yet in appears made zero contingency plan.

The competition for a spot in the 17 pushes players to perform. Was it last year that Dsaf was crap and was allowed to stay in the side when he had no right to be there ? The players know they wont be dropped and perform accordingly .
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Completely agree, but I think our squad depth has much improved after being pretty slim last year. I reckon Hetherington is the only player named this week who has been underperforming however he’s probably just picked for his size and is hard to replace.
 
Area51 said:
that's true , but also Storm have Pezet ready at 7 , Meany a player ready for Paps at 1. The Knights knew the odds of Brailey going down again are high yet in appears made zero contingency plan.

The competition for a spot in the 17 pushes players to perform. Was it last year that Dsaf was crap and was allowed to stay in the side when he had no right to be there ? The players know they wont be dropped and perform accordingly .
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Pezet isn’t ready. He played 2 games there and they dropped him cause they performed poorly.

The knight knew the odds?? What a load of ****! Brails could come back from the ACL and never have an ACL injury again. Idiotic response.

The knights have invested in Jones, who did his elbow in preseason, and Kalepo, Rugless and Naiglalovia (sp)? Who are learning but not ready by a long shot. So in my opinion they have planned and have

Crossland and Mann to fill in when needed.
You might find in a week or two the club has loaned a quality 9 to back up club for the yr. Which is smart business. Regardless how long it takes.

The comment on Dsaf is silly too as last year yeah he well underperformed, but the club literally had no one else to replace him. No one of quality. Look at cup now, there still is t anyone worth it.

I look at it as the club is working on building good depth from 16’s up. They have started that and need to continue it.
 
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waynesworld said:
Completely agree, but I think our squad depth has much improved after being pretty slim last year. I reckon Hetherington is the only player named this week who has been underperforming however he’s probably just picked for his size and is hard to replace.
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getting there slowly, it might just be the result of finally having someone like Parr at the club. ?
 
Area51 said:
oops, :giggle: in the 21st century ignorance is a choice.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130711084135.htm

"Overall, 29.5% of athletes suffered a second ACL injury within 24 months of returning to activity with 20.5% sustaining an opposite leg injury "
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What's something more recent than a 10-year old article though, noting that medical advancements come a long way each decade? Also, the converse of the odds you've quoted would be that 70.5% of athletes do not suffer a second ACL injury within 24 months, and 79.5% do not sustain an opposite leg injury. As unfortunate as it is what happened to Brailey, those odds are pretty good that it wouldn't happen IMO.
 
Good Times said:
What's something more recent than a 10-year old article though, noting that medical advancements come a long way each decade? Also, the converse of the odds you've quoted would be that 70.5% of athletes do not suffer a second ACL injury within 24 months, and 79.5% do not sustain an opposite leg injury. As unfortunate as it is what happened to Brailey, those odds are pretty good that it wouldn't happen IMO.
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I chose an article at random , please do have a look, plenty of available studies , in short though the club failed.
 
slotmachine said:
Yeah who could have guessed the bloke with two season ending injuries would get another one.

You don't work for the Knights be any chance, they're the only ones who didn't see it coming.
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No sadly, but sounds like I could qualify.

Seriously though the players knights had as backups were Randall, Mann, Crossland, Jones, Rugless and Noah. Even with Randall gone Mann and Crossland are decent.

No doubt I think they need to look long term next yr, but they’ll have to move a few things around to keep juniors on contract. I’d lose Mann and possibly Crossland to have Riley top 30 and another 9 signed like Smoothey or Marschke (sp)? from Bears. With a few players coming off contract now is a good time to shed some of the weight or resign for 1 yr whilst juniors get up to speed.

it’s probably fair to say eggs were out into basket over Mann and Crossland thinking they were good enough. But time now to move Crossy, Mann, Fitzy on and specialise a 9 and Jones as 9 back ups.
 
BTP said:
The comment on Dsaf is silly too as last year yeah he well underperformed, but the club literally had no one else to replace him. No one of quality. Look at cup now, there still is t anyone worth it.
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and what message does that send the roster ? "you can under perform, and not have a red hot crack, that's ok you can still play in first grade as we dont have anyone better" ? with that type of attitude we will always be bottom 8.

Dsaf should have been demoted to cup, until he found the motivation to play first grade and value the jersey. A clear message to the roster to not take the jersey for granted. or in the words of Connor Watson when asked why he chose the Roosters " expected to play to your very best every game"
 
BTP said:
Seriously though the players knights had as backups were Randall, Mann, Crossland, Jones, Rugless and Noah. Even with Randall gone Mann and Crossland are decent.

No doubt I think they need to look long term next yr,
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"decent " doesn't win premierships unfortunately. Remember this is a weak roster and we are talking about a spine position and a player with 2 season ending injuries in his short time at the club.

Look to long term next year ? shouldn't they have been looking to long term when they took over the Knights. ? We'd be flush with talent ready for first grade by now.
 
Area51 said:
and what message does that send the roster ? "you can under perform, and not have a red hot crack, that's ok you can still play in first grade as we dont have anyone better" ? with that type of attitude we will always be bottom 8.

Dsaf should have been demoted to cup, until he found the motivation to play first grade and value the jersey. A clear message to the roster to not take the jersey for granted. or in the words of Connor Watson when asked why he chose the Roosters " expected to play to your very best every game"
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Demote him for a Cup player who would get obliterated in Grade? I get what you’re saying, Dsaf underperformed but he wasn’t the only player that yr. You can’t replace him with a player who is not going to improve the team in any way.
 
Area51 said:
I chose an article at random , please do have a look, plenty of available studies , in short though the club failed.
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Oh, I've had a look. It's hilarious that you profess someone else's ignorance by countering with an outdated study. You are correct that there are plenty of available studies, which makes it strange for why you've chosen this one above others that suggest the re-injury rate is significantly lower. In any case, if a player copping a significant re-injury is a 'fail' for the club, then 29/30 for others on the roster is a good strike rate.
 
BTP said:
Demote him for a Cup player who would get obliterated in Grade? I get what you’re saying, Dsaf underperformed but he wasn’t the only player that yr. You can’t replace him with a player who is not going to improve the team in any way.
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"not improve the team" is indeed correct but a very short term near sighted policy sacrificing for long term standards and gain overall for the future. Value the jersey or play cup or better still leave the club.
 
It's a bit of a fiction that we haven't been trying to fill the hooker role.
Kobe Rugless was bought from the Roosters as a young hooker and has now had 2 whole off seasons training with firstgrade as a hooker. Turns out he isn't that good and ended up playing mostly lock in Flegg last season after it was obvious that Riley Jones and Noah Nailagoliva were both better.
We also bought Temple Kalepo from the Warriors when he was supposed to be very close to firstgrade standard. He promptly got injured and doesn't look anything like firstgrade standard after 2 years battling injuries.
We also had Kurt Mann training at hooker for the last few years, and now he gets injured every time someone looks at him.
In short, it isn't fair to say they haven't been trying to find a good young hooker, but through bad luck and bad choices, it's gone pretty badly.
 
Good Times said:
Oh, I've had a look. It's hilarious that you profess someone else's ignorance by countering with an outdated study. You are correct that there are plenty of available studies, which makes it strange for why you've chosen this one above others that suggest the re-injury rate is significantly lower. In any case, if a player copping a significant re-injury is a 'fail' for the club, then 29/30 for others on the roster is a good strike rate.
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ok I will have to disagree, some studies show over 30% ( I chose the one at the top of my search page - but it is fairly common knowledge ) that's a big risk for a player on 2 season ending injuries. Place the entire teams season on 1 spine player and no good back -up ? well you'd fit right in to being a Knights supporter, you should apply for a management role?
 
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