Dylan Brown discussion

Matty John’s show right now:

- not a 7 (an impact player)
- proven he’s not an organiser
- big gamble
- $1.3 overs
- 10 years crazy
- shame that it’s come to this to bring talent to Newcastle
- big nursery that needs produced a half (Fletcher good example)

Non surprisingly everyone agreeing
 
Matty John’s show right now:

- not a 7 (an impact player)
- proven he’s not an organiser
- big gamble
- $1.3 overs
- 10 years crazy
- shame that it’s come to this to bring talent to Newcastle
- big nursery that needs produced a half (Fletcher good example)

Non surprisingly everyone agreeing
I’d love to hear what his alternative is, instead of just tearing the whole thing to shreds.
 
So what, he watched that game, and thought “hey you know what would have made that win tougher? If you replaced Jack Cogger with Dylan Brown.”
 
Don’t they do the post match interviews on the Matty Johns Show anymore? That’s the only thing I kept watching for. Even though their questions are always rubbish.
 
Did anyone notice in the post match interview a reporter ask about ponga being in the first receiver role quite often last night? O'Brien's response, while brief, hinted at potential plans for next year.

Starting to think that brown was never signed as a 7 from the start. Either Fletcher is ear marked to play 7 or imo an outside the box but exciting prospect. Ponga being the organiser from fullback, linking up with either side of the field. Adds some complexity for the opposition in having less predictability when ponga chooses his moments through each set to wrap around in a more traditional fullback role, which he does so well even when it's clearly coming. Having him closer to the ruck more often would also bring him into play after quick play the balls, taking advantage of out of position markers and fatiguing forwards. Fletch and brown backing up on either side after ponga slips through the middle. Gives us a multi dimensional attack that we've severely lacked.
 
We signed a dynamic, skillful playmaker, to get a massive, massive upgrade in a role. Not necessarily a “position” in the classic sense you would say for players like Reynolds and Fogarty, who are pure halfbacks. A role - Dylan may be listed as a 6 or as a 7, it does not matter - within a system unique to the club, which we’ve previously been filling with limited replacement level halves.

Jonah Pezet is not the same player as Dylan Brown - he’s quick but hasn’t been a constant threat to break the line - but he does some of the same things naturally well. Plays straight and creates space, good pass selection, naturally understands angles etc. Pezet’s main individual attacking impact is from his short kicking game (he doesn’t really have a big boot tbh, pretty clearly this is low on the list of things our coaching staff care most about), whereas with Dylan it would be more in his running and passing games. But in a broad sense, they both do a lot of the things we want in that role very well.

It’s really as simple as that. I just don’t think they think they need a 30+ year old 7 to whip everyone into shape. The team is well-drilled. Kalyn is better at reading the game and picking the play than half the halfbacks in the comp. Keep the actual halves responsibilities for Dylan relatively simple, just let him play his natural game, and he’ll flourish.
 
We signed a dynamic, skillful playmaker, to get a massive, massive upgrade in a role. Not necessarily a “position” in the classic sense you would say for players like Reynolds and Fogarty, who are pure halfbacks. A role - Dylan may be listed as a 6 or as a 7, it does not matter - within a system unique to the club, which we’ve previously been filling with limited replacement level halves.

Jonah Pezet is not the same player as Dylan Brown - he’s quick but hasn’t been a constant threat to break the line - but he does some of the same things naturally well. Plays straight and creates space, good pass selection, naturally understands angles etc. Pezet’s main individual attacking impact is from his short kicking game (he doesn’t really have a big boot tbh, pretty clearly this is low on the list of things our coaching staff care most about), whereas with Dylan it would be more in his running and passing games. But in a broad sense, they both do a lot of the things we want in that role very well.

It’s really as simple as that. I just don’t think they think they need a 30+ year old 7 to whip everyone into shape. The team is well-drilled. Kalyn is better at reading the game and picking the play than half the halfbacks in the comp. Keep the actual halves responsibilities for Dylan relatively simple, just let him play his natural game, and he’ll flourish.

For years I've been critical of OB for in my eyes, not being able to put together an attacking structure that suits the players we have. I feel he has tried to push on to the team an attacking style that he thinks should work that does not play to our strengths.

We don't need to be Melbourne, or Penrith and just copy what they do. Of course there are aspects of the game you want to ape, but with ball in hand the attack has to be moulded to suit the skillset available. That for mine has been OB's biggest failing.

Rubbing salt in to that wound was the play ugly comment last year, when we have absolute stallions in the team shackled under that ethos. It really infuriated me.

This purchase of Brown for me, signifies a move away from that and more towards setting a team that is an exciting attacking machine and playing to that strength. Hopefully this is the change in direction I hope it is for AOB and we can start actually hunting a top 4 spot and lob up for a prelim in the next 2-3 years.

It looks like the plan for Ponga for the future, and to keep him at the club, is to hand him the keys at first receiver and say this is your team. You call the shots, and we have brought in and developed some weapons you can use to strike at the enemy. Sharpe, Brown, Best, Marz, Gags etc are at your disposal.
 
We signed a dynamic, skillful playmaker, to get a massive, massive upgrade in a role. Not necessarily a “position” in the classic sense you would say for players like Reynolds and Fogarty, who are pure halfbacks. A role - Dylan may be listed as a 6 or as a 7, it does not matter - within a system unique to the club, which we’ve previously been filling with limited replacement level halves.

Jonah Pezet is not the same player as Dylan Brown - he’s quick but hasn’t been a constant threat to break the line - but he does some of the same things naturally well. Plays straight and creates space, good pass selection, naturally understands angles etc. Pezet’s main individual attacking impact is from his short kicking game (he doesn’t really have a big boot tbh, pretty clearly this is low on the list of things our coaching staff care most about), whereas with Dylan it would be more in his running and passing games. But in a broad sense, they both do a lot of the things we want in that role very well.

It’s really as simple as that. I just don’t think they think they need a 30+ year old 7 to whip everyone into shape. The team is well-drilled. Kalyn is better at reading the game and picking the play than half the halfbacks in the comp. Keep the actual halves responsibilities for Dylan relatively simple, just let him play his natural game, and he’ll flourish
I think to some degree at time Crossland can help with some halfback work also. The key will be them all knowing their roles and filling in when we lose one of them which would be inevitable.
 
I thought I read that Sharpe was a halfback for significantly more time than he wasn’t. Playing him at 6 for the year as a means to transition him back into the 7 wouldn’t be the dumbest thing to do.
 
The only thing about Crossland is that he’s not a particularly guileful #9. He tends to just focus on good, clean service, sending the ball the right way on time (and he does at least read the game well enough to do this, plenty of hookers don’t), and absolutely crunching defence. These are all very valuable things - plenty of hookers look more crafty on paper but actually gum up the works a bit by overplaying their hand. He’s not a great hooker, but he’s also not a *bad* or overrated one (feel free to guess which players I put in either category), which is in itself valuable.

But the fact his game isn’t particularly subtle does explain I think why we can be happy to sort of go back and forth and wait for opportunities in games (eg long kick returns and other counter-attacking situations, bullocking Greg Marzhew runs, etc). We can’t quite get over the advantage line at will the way Melbourne (via Harry Grant elevating his forwards) or Brisbane (via Haas and Carrigan being genetic freaks) can.

Will be very interesting to see Matt Arthur in the top grade. Cos I think Ponga, Brown and Sharpe are non-negotiable long term keepers. Try involvement machines. But it’s a lot of money tied up in those three. Arthur may in some respects be competing with our emerging middles. Api Koroisau gets you rolling forward as well as almost anyone, but just chucking the ball to Spencer Leniu coming off the back fence also does that, if that makes sense. Probably a bit down the line O’Sullivan will face the choice between keeping Phoenix + a really good forward, vs keeping Arthur + a forward who’s only okay.
 
The only thing about Crossland is that he’s not a particularly guileful #9. He tends to just focus on good, clean service, sending the ball the right way on time (and he does at least read the game well enough to do this, plenty of hookers don’t), and absolutely crunching defence. These are all very valuable things - plenty of hookers look more crafty on paper but actually gum up the works a bit by overplaying their hand. He’s not a great hooker, but he’s also not a *bad* or overrated one (feel free to guess which players I put in either category), which is in itself valuable.

But the fact his game isn’t particularly subtle does explain I think why we can be happy to sort of go back and forth and wait for opportunities in games (eg long kick returns and other counter-attacking situations, bullocking Greg Marzhew runs, etc). We can’t quite get over the advantage line at will the way Melbourne (via Harry Grant elevating his forwards) or Brisbane (via Haas and Carrigan being genetic freaks) can.

Will be very interesting to see Matt Arthur in the top grade. Cos I think Ponga, Brown and Sharpe are non-negotiable long term keepers. Try involvement machines. But it’s a lot of money tied up in those three. Arthur may in some respects be competing with our emerging middles. Api Koroisau gets you rolling forward as well as almost anyone, but just chucking the ball to Spencer Leniu coming off the back fence also does that, if that makes sense. Probably a bit down the line O’Sullivan will face the choice between keeping Phoenix + a really good forward, vs keeping Arthur + a forward who’s only okay.
Crossed best position is in that 14 role. That may mean starting and weathering the first energetic 20 and then shifting to 13 and covering. He does this at such a high quality
 
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