HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Have Kalyn walk into his office drinking a strawberry thickshake. He’ll know it’s time then.
2023 Recruitment & Retention Thread
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Shane Christensen
We’ve been underachievers for a number of years. I’m not convinced a change in coach would make us any better or worse.
People keep spruiking the idea that a change in coach will get the best out of our players. Where does the players’ responsibility come into it? In my job, my boss will give directions and motivate from a managerial level, but I’m a professional and am paid to find motivation for myself. The idea that around $10M worth of a professional team need a coach to motivate them is beyond me. Players are adults with the opportunity to make a living from a sport they love to play.
If they’re not being taught technique, good strategy and so on needed to win games, then that is a coaching problem. That may be a fault of O’Brien’s - I’m not certain of what they’re being taught vs what is executed on the field. However, if players simply aren’t trying because they’re not inspired or motivated, that’s their personal problem. It’s simply not good enough as a professional to blame someone else because you’re not willing to lift when it’s required.
OnTilt
Adam Woolnough
You don't know that. We have been unable to score points for 2 seasons now, it puts too much pressure on our defence to just try and grind out games with our pedestrian 1 out running and ugly attack. There's definately other issues in the squad, our forward 'pack' needs a kick in the ***.
I dont know if Flanagan would make a difference but i am starting to question if Obi can improve the team further. Johns had the attack going in the right direction but he mentioned the other day it's hard to get time with them through the season so it's seems the regular coaches are back to working on the attack and it's gone backwards again.
Frank McWilliams
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
It’s the current attitude of the playing and coaching group, why did we play so well first two rounds and for most of the 3rd even when a man down if the players were not good enough. Something happened between end game 3 and start of game 4,:don’t bother looking elsewhere, face facts, something ain’t right at the Knights.
Is it the Ponga effect, DanS loss of Captaincy, Barnett’s send of and ultimately leaving, is it injuries to critical players such as Clune or is it everything and Coach unable to get them over the hump
Is it the Ponga effect, DanS loss of Captaincy, Barnett’s send of and ultimately leaving, is it injuries to critical players such as Clune or is it everything and Coach unable to get them over the hump
relicorange94
John Morris
Highly doubt it will happen but I’m still scratching my head on why we didn’t sign highly successful Wigan Warriors coach and current England Head coach Shaun Wane after sacking Nathan Brown. Wane who still wants to coach in the NRL after this year’s RLWC is over is the Soap Dodger equivalent of Craig Bellamy, would not accept any poor performances and would punish any perpetrators by putting the lid on their ego’s quick smart.
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Get paid win, lose or draw
Joshhh
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Honestly I've lost faith that anyone can help this joint. I don't know who to blame whether coach or players, it seems like a poisoned chalice for literally everyone that has come here for the last decade and more. I'd expect Bellamy to get his hands on the place and fail too.
Frank McWilliams
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Surely same at every club, difference is attitude and personal achievement
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Cooper Cronk talking about the Craig Bellamy coaching formula:
- Don’t overcoach - focus on nailing the basics via repetition and practice.
- Within that framework, allow self-expression and playing what you see - empower everyone in their role.
- Effort, effort, effort - if you’re not showing the required focus and effort in training, you’re not on the team sheet on Tuesday.
It sounds so simple doesn’t it? No one is ever asked to do anything outside their ability level. Their shapes aren’t that complex, they just execute everything at speed. When they get rolling in a set they are ready to play flat and fast at the line on the next play and everyone knows how to promote the ball to the man in space. Check out a Papenhyuzen highlight reel and it’s kind of crazy how often he’s doing pretty much exactly the same thing.
They always nail the final pass, sometimes multiple, after a break, and if they put a winger into space, they’ve practiced chipping it back inside to the half or fullback thousands of times. They’ve gotta have the highest conversion rate of line breaks to tries of any club.
And then beyond just nailing the basics, the best players will throw in some trick shots tailored to the skills they have (eg how many times have the Cameron’s Smith and Munster bagged a sneaky try simply by kicking upfield early in a set for Addo-Carr or this year Meaney/Coates? If their winger is matched up against a relatively slow opposition one, they will do it pretty much every game).
There was definitely a long period where the team was the Big Three plus 14 workers, but it feels to me like the success in moving on from them comes down to a lot of behind the scenes work, improving their systems etc. The sheer number of talented spine players they’ve produced over the latter years of the Big Three’s careers is astounding. In a sense they’ve been lucky - they were absolutely certain who’d be in their spine, every year, for like 15 years, and that let them groom successors behind the scenes in QCup with no real time or media pressure, where every other club has to chop and change spines every year and they’re looking for answers right now, not in 3-5 years. But by the same token plenty of other clubs have had a lot of time to plan to replace a generational player or two and utterly failed to do it.
- Don’t overcoach - focus on nailing the basics via repetition and practice.
- Within that framework, allow self-expression and playing what you see - empower everyone in their role.
- Effort, effort, effort - if you’re not showing the required focus and effort in training, you’re not on the team sheet on Tuesday.
It sounds so simple doesn’t it? No one is ever asked to do anything outside their ability level. Their shapes aren’t that complex, they just execute everything at speed. When they get rolling in a set they are ready to play flat and fast at the line on the next play and everyone knows how to promote the ball to the man in space. Check out a Papenhyuzen highlight reel and it’s kind of crazy how often he’s doing pretty much exactly the same thing.
They always nail the final pass, sometimes multiple, after a break, and if they put a winger into space, they’ve practiced chipping it back inside to the half or fullback thousands of times. They’ve gotta have the highest conversion rate of line breaks to tries of any club.
And then beyond just nailing the basics, the best players will throw in some trick shots tailored to the skills they have (eg how many times have the Cameron’s Smith and Munster bagged a sneaky try simply by kicking upfield early in a set for Addo-Carr or this year Meaney/Coates? If their winger is matched up against a relatively slow opposition one, they will do it pretty much every game).
There was definitely a long period where the team was the Big Three plus 14 workers, but it feels to me like the success in moving on from them comes down to a lot of behind the scenes work, improving their systems etc. The sheer number of talented spine players they’ve produced over the latter years of the Big Three’s careers is astounding. In a sense they’ve been lucky - they were absolutely certain who’d be in their spine, every year, for like 15 years, and that let them groom successors behind the scenes in QCup with no real time or media pressure, where every other club has to chop and change spines every year and they’re looking for answers right now, not in 3-5 years. But by the same token plenty of other clubs have had a lot of time to plan to replace a generational player or two and utterly failed to do it.
Two things very Melbourne. Guys are very ready for the top grade when selected after serving quite a long QCup apprenticeship and their accountability sessions after every game, where you have to explain why you feel you played well or not. Those sessions are allegedly brutal, and not coaches led but players led. Two things right there that we could look at. We don't have a Cameron Smith style of personality though, someone who would ask a big name why they weren't pushing across just in case in the 66th minute.
The apprenticeship in reggies thing is something I feel we are working towards already, I think Brennan believes in a similar mindset to Melbourne.
The apprenticeship in reggies thing is something I feel we are working towards already, I think Brennan believes in a similar mindset to Melbourne.
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I hear Penrith has their spine players do their own video work. Most clubs hand their guys a collection of clips, which most players of course do not watch.
The Tigers last two games is the perfect example of why sacking a coach is useless. The coaching staff give the players the tools to execute on game day and it's quite a simple one for success.
Effort, upon effort, upon effort - It's up to the players to produce it on game day week in week out.
We've bought players from winning cultures and a coach from two winning clubs along with support staff from NSW camps and Penrith!
Yet still EFFORT WEEK IN WEEK OUT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CLUB.
Something clicked with the Tigers to perform, whether it last the season we'll see. same with Dragons snagging the win against us, to then out enthuse a underperforming Roosters. Our turn will come and I agree with O'Brien. You need to fight it out with who you have.
Our team sheet is quite strong, minus our main link in Brailey. That is where it is really hurting us this year. He makes the forwards roll so well in attack and D. Randall doesn't have the leadership that Brailey has.
Last week is so inexcusable its scary. But I don't blame the coaches. I blame players not believing they have to execute the effort areas week in, week out on and off the field. It's been the same problem when Bennett was here and same problem for the likes of Pearce and Guerra and Glasby came here. Instilling the club from juniors to 1st with constant desire and effort.
Effort, upon effort, upon effort - It's up to the players to produce it on game day week in week out.
We've bought players from winning cultures and a coach from two winning clubs along with support staff from NSW camps and Penrith!
Yet still EFFORT WEEK IN WEEK OUT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CLUB.
Something clicked with the Tigers to perform, whether it last the season we'll see. same with Dragons snagging the win against us, to then out enthuse a underperforming Roosters. Our turn will come and I agree with O'Brien. You need to fight it out with who you have.
Our team sheet is quite strong, minus our main link in Brailey. That is where it is really hurting us this year. He makes the forwards roll so well in attack and D. Randall doesn't have the leadership that Brailey has.
Last week is so inexcusable its scary. But I don't blame the coaches. I blame players not believing they have to execute the effort areas week in, week out on and off the field. It's been the same problem when Bennett was here and same problem for the likes of Pearce and Guerra and Glasby came here. Instilling the club from juniors to 1st with constant desire and effort.
maybe ponga can learn a thing or 2, every half break, dummy half run etc his right there pushing up.
whoever is responsible for getting ponga to wander from side to side to play as a 5/8 needs to be shot into the sun. its not a hard game, forwards go forward, halves dictate when and where they want the ball and your fullback is up the arse of any ball carrier.
Mister Levy
Steve Walters
AOB mentioned in the presser we don’t have the squad to apply selection pressure. That’s a fair comment imo. Will take time to build that.
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I think that’s a reflection on the injuries more than anything. With Barnett and Fitz fit I reckon D Saf and Brodie get dropped
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Tom Gilbert has signed with the Dolphins as CBM predicted I believe. Very nice pickup for them.