2023 Recruitment & Retention Thread

alexwilliams said:
That's not really the point though is it lol.

What's the point of having a player's association if they don't even get a say in negotiations?
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I was struggling to understand what that had to do with anything either.

This is about Peter V'landys acting like an absolute cowboy and having no clue what he’s doing, as usual. You can’t just announce an agreement when it hasn’t been signed off. That leads to things like strikes and lockouts. Gosh we need this moron out of the game …
 
Kurriboy said:
Sure it is, but not every player makes it rich and earns big dollars. That player earning 120k minimum is still putting his body on the line and getting injuries, especially in the red and blue. By the end of a career say, 13 years of 120 - 200k per year and your left with long standing injuries and just a worn body, you have the rest of your life to live still.

I don't begrudge the players getting their fair share of the revenue the game generates. Plus fringe players have the least job security and could be out of the NRL and playing bush footy real fast.
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No one is making them play football for a living tho.

Would be plenty of blokes out there that would love to swap spots. 80k a year laying bricks or climbing in roofs to pull cables.
 
And some people make tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars a year doing jobs which mostly consist of having long liquid lunches & stealing from said brick layers or cable pullers in ways which should be illegal but somehow aren’t.

Also, even players like DCE and Teddy don’t make anything like the amount of money that the clowns Abdo & PVL do for running the game into the ground. Forgive me if I’m not too upset at those guys, let alone at the fringe NRL players wanting a slice of the pie commensurate with the value they add to it.

Footy players actually provide something of benefit to society, otherwise we wouldn’t be on message boards talking about the sport they play, & they work their arses off and in the overwhelming majority of their cases shorten their own lifespans to do it. They also do a job which doesn’t exactly set them up for a future career unless they were an elite player who made a lot of connections.

If you spend even a nanosecond getting pissy at “greedy” pro athletes, you’ve got a horrible case of misdirected anger.
 
what's that pong said:
No one is making them play football for a living tho.

Would be plenty of blokes out there that would love to swap spots. 80k a year laying bricks or climbing in roofs to pull cables.
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Yeah footballers make decent money, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try and get the best deal for themselves out of it, you should always be trying to improve all aspects of life. If everyone thought like this, just be happy with what you have, no progress would ever happen in the world.
 
what's that pong said:
No one is making them play football for a living tho.

Would be plenty of blokes out there that would love to swap spots. 80k a year laying bricks or climbing in roofs to pull cables.
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No one is making them lay bricks or climb in rooves though. If they have the talent and drive to play footy, then I'm sure there'd be plenty of teams looking for players.
 
Kurriboy said:
Sure it is, but not every player makes it rich and earns big dollars. That player earning 120k minimum is still putting his body on the line and getting injuries, especially in the red and blue. By the end of a career say, 13 years of 120 - 200k per year and your left with long standing injuries and just a worn body, you have the rest of your life to live still.

I don't begrudge the players getting their fair share of the revenue the game generates. Plus fringe players have the least job security and could be out of the NRL and playing bush footy real fast.
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You know what they can get a real job like the rest of us if they don’t like it?

Sorry but they aren’t hard done by.
 
Not sure if I’ve missed the mark, but I just thought the comment was saying the minimum wage is a pretty good deal - not that they didn’t deserve it or whatnot.

I am happy for the minimum wage to be as high as it can be for them, and have no issue with the players trying to earn as much as possible.

120K is more than I currently earn and probably much like everyone else, I feel that I worked hard to get where I am so thats largely what shapes my views on it
 
Joshhh said:
Yeah footballers make decent money, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try and get the best deal for themselves out of it, you should always be trying to improve all aspects of life. If everyone thought like this, just be happy with what you have, no progress would ever happen in the world.
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Yes i definitely agree if i was them id be trying to gwt the best deal possible.

But at the end of the day i think they are living a privileged life playing a game with their mates getting 120k a year and if they happen to get in trouble with the law more often then not they get a slap on the wrist compared to what a normal member of the public would get.

Merry Christmas all
 
what's that pong said:
Yes i definitely agree if i was them id be trying to gwt the best deal possible.

But at the end of the day i think they are living a privileged life playing a game with their mates getting 120k a year and if they happen to get in trouble with the law more often then not they get a slap on the wrist compared to what a normal member of the public would get.

Merry Christmas all
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I'd say they are under a lot more scrutiny than normal people are ... if we do the stuff they do it flies under the radar even if we go to court, nobody cares, if they do it it's front page and blows up in the media and has a heap of social media abuse and judgement etc. Sometimes deservedly so, but we would never have to deal with anything like that.

Also they destroy their bodies in a short career and can end up with other problems later in life.

But overall they generate a huge amount of tv rights money and sponsorship, and anyone that does that, say a movie star or popular musician ... it's only right they get their cut of that money they help generate.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it, you won't make yourself very happy if you spend your whole time feeling envious of what someone else earns, because there'll always be someone richer than you! Even Elon Musk has blown his fortune through his idiocy and isn't number one anymore lol.
 
what's that pong said:
Yes i definitely agree if i was them id be trying to gwt the best deal possible.

But at the end of the day i think they are living a privileged life playing a game with their mates getting 120k a year and if they happen to get in trouble with the law more often then not they get a slap on the wrist compared to what a normal member of the public would get.

Merry Christmas all
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How many times have you had a minor traffic offence and had it printed all over the media as a 'normal member of the public' though?
 
In 1984 I trialed for North Sydney Bears ( no Knights in those days ). My mate and I were successful in getting selected to train with the squad, but would probably be playing under 23s grade ( equivalent to Jersey Flegg level now ). My mate was able to move to Sydney, get a job and ended up playing first grade for the Bears, then Manly for a couple of seasons. He was killing it and looked like having a good career in first grade and probably rep footy ahead of him, then he did his knee. After 2 botched recos he had to retire at age 23. He says he probably made about $10K in 3 years of first grade.
I on the other hand had a full time job in Newcastle that payed quite well, and travelling to Sydney 3-4 times a week to train and play became too hard and expensive to maintain and I dropped out after 6 lower grade games with a grand total of $0 from the Bears, because there was no minimum wage in those days. The only incentive was it was a stepping stone to first grade if you were good enough, and lucky enough to make it. I ended up playing quite a bit of first grade local footy, but work commitments and a couple of injuries led to me retiring at age 26.
Neither my mate or I played rugby league for the money, but because we loved playing the game, and wanted to play at the highest level we could. But money becomes a factor of course in everyone’s life, and influences the decisions you make along the way.
I see the minimum wage increase to 120k as a good thing for the future of the game. It gives young fringe players the financial opportunity to hang in there and perhaps develop into something without financial pressures robbing the game of potentially future stars. Players make the game great and deserve to be payed as much as the sport as a business can sustain.
 
Kurriboy said:
Sure it is, but not every player makes it rich and earns big dollars. That player earning 120k minimum is still putting his body on the line and getting injuries, especially in the red and blue. By the end of a career say, 13 years of 120 - 200k per year and your left with long standing injuries and just a worn body, you have the rest of your life to live still.

I don't begrudge the players getting their fair share of the revenue the game generates. Plus fringe players have the least job security and could be out of the NRL and playing bush footy real fast.
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Thats just like any job in life, not every person makes it big and gets good money. Not every person gets even okay money, just the way of life. Its the risk you have to take to try and make it. Like they say "if it was easy, everyone would do it", honestly reckon the money would of been better invested into grassroots footy and making it more affordable for kids and everyday people to play the game we love.... but instead I will keep paying $300 a season to play local first grade, $120 a year for my kid to play under 10s and $150 for my other to play 15s. But they're hard done by
 
Who’s saying the players are “hard done by”? Against whom is this argument targeted? Why is this the frame of reference for discussing whether something is good or bad?

And again I must ask, why does an athlete earning a couple of mil on the basis of being really good at something and working their *** off at it seem to so frequently be the thing which gets people all class conscious-y? Why this and not the people making billions which they never lifted a finger to earn, which they made off the back of exploitation and glorified theft?
 
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