What’s has gone wrong and who is to blame

Spare me. Dropping a player for being completely horrid is a team management staple.

We have reached the powder puff stage where we can't drop an out of form player for fear of denting their ego which they will never recover from lol.

How about we give him the maccas happy meal voucher for effort to lift his spirits. That will work.
 
Spare me. Dropping a player for being completely horrid is a team management staple.

We have reached the powder puff stage where we can't drop an out of form player for fear of denting their ego which they will never recover from lol.

How about we give him the maccas happy meal voucher for effort to lift his spirits. That will work.

If we’re being brutally honest, if Marzhew goes, a lot of players need to go with him, including Ponga probably.
 
Spare me. Dropping a player for being completely horrid is a team management staple.

We have reached the powder puff stage where we can't drop an out of form player for fear of denting their ego which they will never recover from lol.

How about we give him the maccas happy meal voucher for effort to lift his spirits. That will work.
McCarthy didn’t look like a first grader either on the weekend though. It’s not about protecting ego, we’re discussing what is the best way to beat the Sharks this weekend. Our outside back depth is absolutely ridiculous. Signing Annan on a top 30 deal appears to be a horrendous mistake and we don’t have players up to first grade to come in and play.
 
McCarthy didn’t look like a first grader either on the weekend though. It’s not about protecting ego, we’re discussing what is the best way to beat the Sharks this weekend. Our outside back depth is absolutely ridiculous. Signing Annan on a top 30 deal appears to be a horrendous mistake and we don’t have players up to first grade to come in and play.
Totally, if we can turn it around without having to drop him, then that’s the best outcome for the team. To me it looks like things that can be fixed in a few training sessions.
 
Our depth is among the worst in the comp. No depth in the middles or outside backs. Once JSaf was ruled out and Leo previously, our middles was absolutely depleted.

Halfback - Neither Cogger or Crossland are good enough to steer the team around at NRL level, one's living off 15 minutes in GF and the other is a utility player.

Dylan Lucas being out - I'm starting to think he's the most important player in the team not named Ponga. I get the feeling he's starting to become a leader in the side and we've been worse since he's been out and miss his reliability both sides of the ball and effort.

Marzhew - Getting worse every week and if wasn't for lack of depth on the wing, I'd seriously consider dropping him. His hands are a total liability and confidence is at a low.

Ponga's been quiet in the last few games which is alarm bells for me after yesterday.

Sharpe has struggled the last couple of games but it'd be stupid to move back to the wing.
Lucas is virtually our only attacking threat in the forard
Spare me. Dropping a player for being completely horrid is a team management staple.

We have reached the powder puff stage where we can't drop an out of form player for fear of denting their ego which they will never recover from lol.

How about we give him the maccas happy meal voucher for effort to lift his spirits. That will work.
our forwards are getting man handled anyway . I think their hearts would drop when the opposition put the kick in Marz drops it , rinse & repeat. His errors are continually putting us under pressure!
 
Hey my point was just about the fear of dropping a player and then not recovering. That notion is ridiculous for a professional sportsman, being paid hundreds of thousands per year.

If OB can turn our handling around with a few training sessions, he must have been waiting to view peak derp from them before fixing it.

By all means do so without dropping any player.

And sure, others aren't going great either, but Marz has backed up a poor week with an absolute stinker. Dropping him sends a message to the squad.

Anyway, let's wait another week for coach to turn these simple things around.
 
We went through this with Marzhew last year too around this time.

A lot of us were wondering whether AOB would drop him or bear with him.

He kept persevering with him in first grade and he eventually came good again. Maybe he's hoping the same thing will happen again.
 
Watching an illustrative game during the 2023 streak to try to ascertain what the difference is. I picked the 29-10 win over Souths - notably, our first game without Hastings, so no ball-dominant 7 out there. Here are some thoughts:

1. The same issues are still there...

In the first few sets of the game, Souths are easily winning the yardage battle. Their first few sets go for about 65 metres, Gamble's first few kicks are pretty meh and Souths starts their sets between their 30-40 every time (even with a strong kick chase). We just happily go set for set with no risk one-out runs. The momentum turns when Lachlan Ilias puts in a horrible kick, giving us a seven tackle set. You can see the team instantly "flip a switch" - everyone gets onside and Bradman sprints to the 20m line. Strong carries from J Saf and Dom Young follow this up and instantly we're rolling forward... so essentially, we waited for the other team to make a mistake, then counter-attacked, rather than attacked proactively from the jump. We were losing the field position battle badly until that happened.

2. ... and broad swathes of the system are the same...

My much derided "second tackle winger hit ups from the kick off" are happening constantly. Our play two front rowers are Greg Marzhew and Dom Young. The play three run is Leo, except when he's doing the kick-off return, which I would say he does maybe 1/4 times, they clearly want that carry to be a Saifiti whenever possible. However, it is striking how much more effective the Dom carry is than Schiller/Gagai play two carries. If you're a "Dom was one of our most important players" person, there's your first data point in support of that.

In principle though this team is a punch it up the guts "earn the right" mob, just as much then as now. But the punching is punchier, especially when you see them sense opportunity.

3. ... but they're clicking into gear way quicker...

As a general rule after a quick play the ball there will be *one more carry* to really get the runner through the line and defenders on the ground behind the ball carrier, and then the ball will move. There is a lot of variety in how they do this, but the most consistent principle is a quick interchange of short passes with only, honestly, one or two lead lines, with Elliott commonly getting into first receiver through the middle third. The principle is speed, not complexity. If you drew a heat map of Gamble and Clune they would occupy a side each of the field, and their role in the attack is picking between their lead runner, Kalyn behind the lead runner, and cutting out both to play directly to the centre. We are doing this over and over again. If there's an aspect of what we're doing in attack now which maybe teams have cottoned onto and can shut down too easily, it's this - it just never feels like there's any chance of a variation where we change angles and play back through the middle third, and honestly the halves aren't even really trying to cut back and attack with their running game. So unless we're doing it too fast for the other team to stop, it does seem like something opposing teams could learn to contain by watching film on us.

Biggest differences are twofold: One is that I feel like hitting Fitz/Friz is happening way less commonly than just getting it to Ponga or directly to the centre - *especially* to Gagai, who plays quickly to the wing - and then Dom charges into a sliding defender or tries to go around one who's been too slow to get across. The second is that we have a key variation in how the ball is spread, where Phoenix is throwing *very* long passes behind multiple lead runners which directly hit Gamble, Clune or even sometimes Ponga. Doing this successfully relies on everyone being in sync and picking the right moment for it - the point of closer, interchange of quick passes is to compress the defence, the variation is a surprise tactic to take advantage of the defence expecting the attacking team to try to compress them.

We're also attacking like this from anywhere. 30 metres out from our line, halfway, 30 out from theirs - if we get on the front foot, we are hitting that go button.

4. ... and the key decision makers are different.

In this game, Tyson Gamble is the dominant half, despite wearing #6, and playing primarily on the right side. Ponga gets his hands on the ball a lot - more than Clune, who's playing a very simple role - mainly because he does a fair bit of kicking. But unless he's pitching in for yardage work, or getting into position after a break to just zip the ball to the other side of the field to attack space, I don't think he's playing as a middle third distributor or "hybrid half" at all. He's a sweeping fullback. We're trying to leverage his ability to beat guys on their outside. It's "Pongaball" in a sense, but there is a lot of good work being done by other guys to get him going.

Adam Elliott is clearly a massively important player to this team. However anyone may feel about him. He generates ruck speed with his passing around the middle. He's a key link man to our halves, who are usually playing wide positions. He's running decoy lines a lot on top of that. He looks way fitter in 2023 than in 2025, I don't know if that's age or injury.

5. Kalyn is in ridiculous form...

Yeah so Kalyn Ponga (and also Dom, drink, and Greg) just randomly making breaks on kick returns is a very handy thing to have when your game plan is to just go back and forth and wait for opportunity to present itself. Play a conservative game style where you get more easy scoring opportunities because you're not giving them away works really well if you have players who are generating them out of nothing, it turns out.

6. ... and we're not dropping the ball much.

Yeah. Obvious one. This does, in fact, help. A lot.

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If I go back and look I can kind of see what AOB is on about. Lack of patience & fundamental errors are clear differences this year. This 2023 team is unrecognisable and playing startlingly intelligent footy, everyone is on the same page. I do believe AOB wants to get back there. That's why so much of the system is really similar. He hasn't lost belief in it working again.

The other differences? Key personnel are absent or out of form/unfit, or their role has changed. AOB wanted Kalyn to fill in a lot for Elliott's role I reckon, as well as Tyson Frizell doing that role, and it hasn't worked - Tyson is a much less effective ball player, and Kalyn has seemed to shy away from doing that role consistently. Bad form, injury or cowardice, or a mix of all three, you decide what you think. I'd imagine the idea of Kalyn's new role is partly as a "counter" to other teams shutting down our systems, having done more video on us - (that's AOB's solution to a lot of stuff, "Kalyn will fix it"). Our other "counter" is our halves testing the line with the run more - Fletcher has had a lot of joy with this and Cogger has had a lot of "being a victim of horrific assault" with it (along with, let's be clear, just constantly making worse decisions within structure than Gamble/Clune). It's maybe here where the logic of signing Dylan Brown is the clearest - possibly the most physically rugged, run-dominant and direct half in the NRL besides Munster. Rather than change the system, which they still believe in, they recruited a player who they think suits it down to the ground...

... so I suspect AOB isn't getting fired till they see what that looks like.

On Kalyn, I think they maybe just have to accept he is what he is. Play to him. Let him attack his spots. Keep Elliott and find a way to replace him from within. Kalyn is - in that middle third first receiver role - just not good, in my opinion. The Dolphins made him look good with awful defence. He has terrible instincts for it, obsession with "home run" plays, doesn't consistently create space at all. Accept him for what he is - a cheat code down the wide channels - and try to maximise that.

Dylan Brown + improvement from Fletcher Sharpe will be essential in making it work. I fundamentally don't believe in Kalyn's ability to be the guy who makes it easier for his halves. It's up to your halves to get him into good positions, and then he maximises those positions...
 
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Watching an illustrative game during the 2023 streak to try to ascertain what the difference is. I picked the 29-10 win over Souths - notably, our first game without Hastings, so no ball-dominant 7 out there. Here are some thoughts:

1. The same issues are still there...

In the first few sets of the game, Souths are easily winning the yardage battle. Their first few sets go for about 65 metres, Gamble's first few kicks are pretty meh and Souths starts their sets between their 30-40 every time (even with a strong kick chase). We just happily go set for set with no risk one-out runs. The momentum turns when Lachlan Ilias puts in a horrible kick, giving us a seven tackle set. You can see the team instantly "flip a switch" - everyone gets onside and Bradman sprints to the 20m line. Strong carries from J Saf and Dom Young follow this up and instantly we're rolling forward... so essentially, we waited for the other team to make a mistake, then counter-attacked, rather than attacked proactively from the jump. We were losing the field position battle badly until that happened.

2. ... and broad swathes of the system are the same...

My much derided "second tackle winger hit ups from the kick off" are happening constantly. Our play two front rowers are Greg Marzhew and Dom Young. The play three run is Leo, except when he's doing the kick-off return, which I would say he does maybe 1/4 times, they clearly want that carry to be a Saifiti whenever possible. However, it is striking how much more effective the Dom carry is than Schiller/Gagai play two carries. If you're a "Dom was one of our most important players" person, there's your first data point in support of that.

In principle though this team is a punch it up the guts "earn the right" mob, just as much then as now. But the punching is punchier, especially when you see them sense opportunity.

3. ... but they're clicking into gear way quicker...

As a general rule after a quick play the ball there will be *one more carry* to really get the runner through the line and defenders on the ground behind the ball carrier, and then the ball will move. There is a lot of variety in how they do this, but the most consistent principle is a quick interchange of short passes with only, honestly, one or two lead lines, with Elliott commonly getting into first receiver through the middle third. The principle is speed, not complexity. If you drew a heat map of Gamble and Clune they would occupy a side each of the field, and their role in the attack is picking between their lead runner, Kalyn behind the lead runner, and cutting out both to play directly to the centre. We are doing this over and over again. If there's an aspect of what we're doing in attack now which maybe teams have cottoned onto and can shut down too easily, it's this - it just never feels like there's any chance of a variation where we change angles and play back through the middle third, and honestly the halves aren't even really trying to cut back and attack with their running game. So unless we're doing it too fast for the other team to stop, it does seem like something opposing teams could learn to contain by watching film on us.

Biggest differences are twofold: One is that I feel like hitting Fitz/Friz is happening way less commonly than just getting it to Ponga or directly to the centre - *especially* to Gagai, who plays quickly to the wing - and then Dom charges into a sliding defender or tries to go around one who's been too slow to get across. The second is that we have a key variation in how the ball is spread, where Phoenix is throwing *very* long passes behind multiple lead runners which directly hit Gamble, Clune or even sometimes Ponga. Doing this successfully relies on everyone being in sync and picking the right moment for it - the point of closer, interchange of quick passes is to compress the defence, the variation is a surprise tactic to take advantage of the defence expecting the attacking team to try to compress them.

We're also attacking like this from anywhere. 30 metres out from our line, halfway, 30 out from theirs - if we get on the front foot, we are hitting that go button.

4. ... and the key decision makers are different.

In this game, Tyson Gamble is the dominant half, despite wearing #6, and playing primarily on the right side. Ponga gets his hands on the ball a lot - more than Clune, who's playing a very simple role - mainly because he does a fair bit of kicking. But unless he's pitching in for yardage work, or getting into position after a break to just zip the ball to the other side of the field to attack space, I don't think he's playing as a middle third distributor or "hybrid half" at all. He's a sweeping fullback. We're trying to leverage his ability to beat guys on their outside. It's "Pongaball" in a sense, but there is a lot of good work being done by other guys to get him going.

Adam Elliott is clearly a massively important player to this team. However anyone may feel about him. He generates ruck speed with his passing around the middle. He's a key link man to our halves, who are usually playing wide positions. He's running decoy lines a lot on top of that. He looks way fitter in 2023 than in 2025, I don't know if that's age or injury.

5. Kalyn is in ridiculous form...

Yeah so Kalyn Ponga (and also Dom, drink, and Greg) just randomly making breaks on kick returns is a very handy thing to have when your game plan is to just go back and forth and wait for opportunity to present itself. Play a conservative game style where you get more easy scoring opportunities because you're not giving them away works really well if you have players who are generating them out of nothing, it turns out.

6. ... and we're not dropping the ball much.

Yeah. Obvious one. This does, in fact, help. A lot.

-----

If I go back and look I can kind of see what AOB is on about. Lack of patience & fundamental errors are clear differences this year. This 2023 team is unrecognisable and playing startlingly intelligent footy, everyone is on the same page. I do believe AOB wants to get back there. That's why so much of the system is really similar. He hasn't lost belief in it working again.

The other differences? Key personnel are absent or out of form/unfit, or their role has changed. AOB wanted Kalyn to fill in a lot for Elliott's role I reckon, as well as Tyson Frizell doing that role, and it hasn't worked - Tyson is a much less effective ball player, and Kalyn has seemed to shy away from doing that role consistently. Bad form, injury or cowardice, or a mix of all three, you decide what you think. I'd imagine the idea of Kalyn's new role is partly as a "counter" to other teams shutting down our systems, having done more video on us - (that's AOB's solution to a lot of stuff, "Kalyn will fix it"). Our other "counter" is our halves testing our line with the run more - Fletcher has had a lot of joy with this and Cogger has had a lot of "being a victim of horrific assault" with it (along with, let's be clear, just constantly making worse decisions within structure than Gamble/Clune). It's maybe here where the logic of signing Dylan Brown is the clearest - possibly the most physically rugged, run-dominant and direct half in the NRL besides Munster. Rather than change the system, which they still believe in, they recruited a player who they think suits it down to the ground...

... so I suspect AOB isn't getting fired till they see what that looks like.

On Kalyn, I think they maybe just have to accept he is what he is. Play to him. Let him attack his spots. Keep Elliott and find a way to replace him from within. Kalyn is - in that middle third first receiver role - just not good, in my opinion. The Dolphins made him look good with awful defence. He has terrible instincts for it, obsession with "home run" plays, doesn't consistently create space at all. Accept him for what he is - a cheat code down the wide channels - and try to maximise that.

Dylan Brown + improvement from Fletcher Sharpe will be essential in making it work. I fundamentally don't believe in Kalyn's ability to be the guy who makes it easier for his halves. It's up to your halves to get him into good positions, and then he maximises those positions...
I just have to say - always appreciate your posts HVG, and this is one of your best! 🙌🏼
 
Watching an illustrative game during the 2023 streak to try to ascertain what the difference is. I picked the 29-10 win over Souths - notably, our first game without Hastings, so no ball-dominant 7 out there. Here are some thoughts:

1. The same issues are still there...

In the first few sets of the game, Souths are easily winning the yardage battle. Their first few sets go for about 65 metres, Gamble's first few kicks are pretty meh and Souths starts their sets between their 30-40 every time (even with a strong kick chase). We just happily go set for set with no risk one-out runs. The momentum turns when Lachlan Ilias puts in a horrible kick, giving us a seven tackle set. You can see the team instantly "flip a switch" - everyone gets onside and Bradman sprints to the 20m line. Strong carries from J Saf and Dom Young follow this up and instantly we're rolling forward... so essentially, we waited for the other team to make a mistake, then counter-attacked, rather than attacked proactively from the jump. We were losing the field position battle badly until that happened.

2. ... and broad swathes of the system are the same...

My much derided "second tackle winger hit ups from the kick off" are happening constantly. Our play two front rowers are Greg Marzhew and Dom Young. The play three run is Leo, except when he's doing the kick-off return, which I would say he does maybe 1/4 times, they clearly want that carry to be a Saifiti whenever possible. However, it is striking how much more effective the Dom carry is than Schiller/Gagai play two carries. If you're a "Dom was one of our most important players" person, there's your first data point in support of that.

In principle though this team is a punch it up the guts "earn the right" mob, just as much then as now. But the punching is punchier, especially when you see them sense opportunity.

3. ... but they're clicking into gear way quicker...

As a general rule after a quick play the ball there will be *one more carry* to really get the runner through the line and defenders on the ground behind the ball carrier, and then the ball will move. There is a lot of variety in how they do this, but the most consistent principle is a quick interchange of short passes with only, honestly, one or two lead lines, with Elliott commonly getting into first receiver through the middle third. The principle is speed, not complexity. If you drew a heat map of Gamble and Clune they would occupy a side each of the field, and their role in the attack is picking between their lead runner, Kalyn behind the lead runner, and cutting out both to play directly to the centre. We are doing this over and over again. If there's an aspect of what we're doing in attack now which maybe teams have cottoned onto and can shut down too easily, it's this - it just never feels like there's any chance of a variation where we change angles and play back through the middle third, and honestly the halves aren't even really trying to cut back and attack with their running game. So unless we're doing it too fast for the other team to stop, it does seem like something opposing teams could learn to contain by watching film on us.

Biggest differences are twofold: One is that I feel like hitting Fitz/Friz is happening way less commonly than just getting it to Ponga or directly to the centre - *especially* to Gagai, who plays quickly to the wing - and then Dom charges into a sliding defender or tries to go around one who's been too slow to get across. The second is that we have a key variation in how the ball is spread, where Phoenix is throwing *very* long passes behind multiple lead runners which directly hit Gamble, Clune or even sometimes Ponga. Doing this successfully relies on everyone being in sync and picking the right moment for it - the point of closer, interchange of quick passes is to compress the defence, the variation is a surprise tactic to take advantage of the defence expecting the attacking team to try to compress them.

We're also attacking like this from anywhere. 30 metres out from our line, halfway, 30 out from theirs - if we get on the front foot, we are hitting that go button.

4. ... and the key decision makers are different.

In this game, Tyson Gamble is the dominant half, despite wearing #6, and playing primarily on the right side. Ponga gets his hands on the ball a lot - more than Clune, who's playing a very simple role - mainly because he does a fair bit of kicking. But unless he's pitching in for yardage work, or getting into position after a break to just zip the ball to the other side of the field to attack space, I don't think he's playing as a middle third distributor or "hybrid half" at all. He's a sweeping fullback. We're trying to leverage his ability to beat guys on their outside. It's "Pongaball" in a sense, but there is a lot of good work being done by other guys to get him going.

Adam Elliott is clearly a massively important player to this team. However anyone may feel about him. He generates ruck speed with his passing around the middle. He's a key link man to our halves, who are usually playing wide positions. He's running decoy lines a lot on top of that. He looks way fitter in 2023 than in 2025, I don't know if that's age or injury.

5. Kalyn is in ridiculous form...

Yeah so Kalyn Ponga (and also Dom, drink, and Greg) just randomly making breaks on kick returns is a very handy thing to have when your game plan is to just go back and forth and wait for opportunity to present itself. Play a conservative game style where you get more easy scoring opportunities because you're not giving them away works really well if you have players who are generating them out of nothing, it turns out.

6. ... and we're not dropping the ball much.

Yeah. Obvious one. This does, in fact, help. A lot.

-----

If I go back and look I can kind of see what AOB is on about. Lack of patience & fundamental errors are clear differences this year. This 2023 team is unrecognisable and playing startlingly intelligent footy, everyone is on the same page. I do believe AOB wants to get back there. That's why so much of the system is really similar. He hasn't lost belief in it working again.

The other differences? Key personnel are absent or out of form/unfit, or their role has changed. AOB wanted Kalyn to fill in a lot for Elliott's role I reckon, as well as Tyson Frizell doing that role, and it hasn't worked - Tyson is a much less effective ball player, and Kalyn has seemed to shy away from doing that role consistently. Bad form, injury or cowardice, or a mix of all three, you decide what you think. I'd imagine the idea of Kalyn's new role is partly as a "counter" to other teams shutting down our systems, having done more video on us - (that's AOB's solution to a lot of stuff, "Kalyn will fix it"). Our other "counter" is our halves testing our line with the run more - Fletcher has had a lot of joy with this and Cogger has had a lot of "being a victim of horrific assault" with it (along with, let's be clear, just constantly making worse decisions within structure than Gamble/Clune). It's maybe here where the logic of signing Dylan Brown is the clearest - possibly the most physically rugged, run-dominant and direct half in the NRL besides Munster. Rather than change the system, which they still believe in, they recruited a player who they think suits it down to the ground...

... so I suspect AOB isn't getting fired till they see what that looks like.

On Kalyn, I think they maybe just have to accept he is what he is. Play to him. Let him attack his spots. Keep Elliott and find a way to replace him from within. Kalyn is - in that middle third first receiver role - just not good, in my opinion. The Dolphins made him look good with awful defence. He has terrible instincts for it, obsession with "home run" plays, doesn't consistently create space at all. Accept him for what he is - a cheat code down the wide channels - and try to maximise that.

Dylan Brown + improvement from Fletcher Sharpe will be essential in making it work. I fundamentally don't believe in Kalyn's ability to be the guy who makes it easier for his halves. It's up to your halves to get him into good positions, and then he maximises those positions...
i wish i didnt have to work.
 
Watching an illustrative game during the 2023 streak to try to ascertain what the difference is. I picked the 29-10 win over Souths - notably, our first game without Hastings, so no ball-dominant 7 out there. Here are some thoughts:

1. The same issues are still there...

In the first few sets of the game, Souths are easily winning the yardage battle. Their first few sets go for about 65 metres, Gamble's first few kicks are pretty meh and Souths starts their sets between their 30-40 every time (even with a strong kick chase). We just happily go set for set with no risk one-out runs. The momentum turns when Lachlan Ilias puts in a horrible kick, giving us a seven tackle set. You can see the team instantly "flip a switch" - everyone gets onside and Bradman sprints to the 20m line. Strong carries from J Saf and Dom Young follow this up and instantly we're rolling forward... so essentially, we waited for the other team to make a mistake, then counter-attacked, rather than attacked proactively from the jump. We were losing the field position battle badly until that happened.

2. ... and broad swathes of the system are the same...

My much derided "second tackle winger hit ups from the kick off" are happening constantly. Our play two front rowers are Greg Marzhew and Dom Young. The play three run is Leo, except when he's doing the kick-off return, which I would say he does maybe 1/4 times, they clearly want that carry to be a Saifiti whenever possible. However, it is striking how much more effective the Dom carry is than Schiller/Gagai play two carries. If you're a "Dom was one of our most important players" person, there's your first data point in support of that.

In principle though this team is a punch it up the guts "earn the right" mob, just as much then as now. But the punching is punchier, especially when you see them sense opportunity.

3. ... but they're clicking into gear way quicker...

As a general rule after a quick play the ball there will be *one more carry* to really get the runner through the line and defenders on the ground behind the ball carrier, and then the ball will move. There is a lot of variety in how they do this, but the most consistent principle is a quick interchange of short passes with only, honestly, one or two lead lines, with Elliott commonly getting into first receiver through the middle third. The principle is speed, not complexity. If you drew a heat map of Gamble and Clune they would occupy a side each of the field, and their role in the attack is picking between their lead runner, Kalyn behind the lead runner, and cutting out both to play directly to the centre. We are doing this over and over again. If there's an aspect of what we're doing in attack now which maybe teams have cottoned onto and can shut down too easily, it's this - it just never feels like there's any chance of a variation where we change angles and play back through the middle third, and honestly the halves aren't even really trying to cut back and attack with their running game. So unless we're doing it too fast for the other team to stop, it does seem like something opposing teams could learn to contain by watching film on us.

Biggest differences are twofold: One is that I feel like hitting Fitz/Friz is happening way less commonly than just getting it to Ponga or directly to the centre - *especially* to Gagai, who plays quickly to the wing - and then Dom charges into a sliding defender or tries to go around one who's been too slow to get across. The second is that we have a key variation in how the ball is spread, where Phoenix is throwing *very* long passes behind multiple lead runners which directly hit Gamble, Clune or even sometimes Ponga. Doing this successfully relies on everyone being in sync and picking the right moment for it - the point of closer, interchange of quick passes is to compress the defence, the variation is a surprise tactic to take advantage of the defence expecting the attacking team to try to compress them.

We're also attacking like this from anywhere. 30 metres out from our line, halfway, 30 out from theirs - if we get on the front foot, we are hitting that go button.

4. ... and the key decision makers are different.

In this game, Tyson Gamble is the dominant half, despite wearing #6, and playing primarily on the right side. Ponga gets his hands on the ball a lot - more than Clune, who's playing a very simple role - mainly because he does a fair bit of kicking. But unless he's pitching in for yardage work, or getting into position after a break to just zip the ball to the other side of the field to attack space, I don't think he's playing as a middle third distributor or "hybrid half" at all. He's a sweeping fullback. We're trying to leverage his ability to beat guys on their outside. It's "Pongaball" in a sense, but there is a lot of good work being done by other guys to get him going.

Adam Elliott is clearly a massively important player to this team. However anyone may feel about him. He generates ruck speed with his passing around the middle. He's a key link man to our halves, who are usually playing wide positions. He's running decoy lines a lot on top of that. He looks way fitter in 2023 than in 2025, I don't know if that's age or injury.

5. Kalyn is in ridiculous form...

Yeah so Kalyn Ponga (and also Dom, drink, and Greg) just randomly making breaks on kick returns is a very handy thing to have when your game plan is to just go back and forth and wait for opportunity to present itself. Play a conservative game style where you get more easy scoring opportunities because you're not giving them away works really well if you have players who are generating them out of nothing, it turns out.

6. ... and we're not dropping the ball much.

Yeah. Obvious one. This does, in fact, help. A lot.

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If I go back and look I can kind of see what AOB is on about. Lack of patience & fundamental errors are clear differences this year. This 2023 team is unrecognisable and playing startlingly intelligent footy, everyone is on the same page. I do believe AOB wants to get back there. That's why so much of the system is really similar. He hasn't lost belief in it working again.

The other differences? Key personnel are absent or out of form/unfit, or their role has changed. AOB wanted Kalyn to fill in a lot for Elliott's role I reckon, as well as Tyson Frizell doing that role, and it hasn't worked - Tyson is a much less effective ball player, and Kalyn has seemed to shy away from doing that role consistently. Bad form, injury or cowardice, or a mix of all three, you decide what you think. I'd imagine the idea of Kalyn's new role is partly as a "counter" to other teams shutting down our systems, having done more video on us - (that's AOB's solution to a lot of stuff, "Kalyn will fix it"). Our other "counter" is our halves testing our line with the run more - Fletcher has had a lot of joy with this and Cogger has had a lot of "being a victim of horrific assault" with it (along with, let's be clear, just constantly making worse decisions within structure than Gamble/Clune). It's maybe here where the logic of signing Dylan Brown is the clearest - possibly the most physically rugged, run-dominant and direct half in the NRL besides Munster. Rather than change the system, which they still believe in, they recruited a player who they think suits it down to the ground...

... so I suspect AOB isn't getting fired till they see what that looks like.

On Kalyn, I think they maybe just have to accept he is what he is. Play to him. Let him attack his spots. Keep Elliott and find a way to replace him from within. Kalyn is - in that middle third first receiver role - just not good, in my opinion. The Dolphins made him look good with awful defence. He has terrible instincts for it, obsession with "home run" plays, doesn't consistently create space at all. Accept him for what he is - a cheat code down the wide channels - and try to maximise that.

Dylan Brown + improvement from Fletcher Sharpe will be essential in making it work. I fundamentally don't believe in Kalyn's ability to be the guy who makes it easier for his halves. It's up to your halves to get him into good positions, and then he maximises those positions...
What a great analysis HarVeeGee, much appreciated insights for us all.
 
I was honestly kind of startled by how similar the "game model", as they call it, is.

I don't know if that's good or bad. They say you want to develop a system that every player in every grade learns. But the system has to be good. The reliance on opposition errors + not making errors yourself worries me a bit... but I don't know. I do think overall that the "how" matters more than the "what". Just run harder and tackle harder boys!

The not contesting kicks really creeped in in 2024, there's another difference - in 2023 we kicked for Dom a fair bit.
 
Kalyn is - in that middle third first receiver role - just not good, in my opinion

Absolutely 1000% correct, thank you. Every time I hear someone say he needs to get into first receiver more I cringe.

The Dolphins made him look good with awful defence.

And the 4 tries in the first half are all classic Ponga-ball.
 
Yep. We've bet the next two years & Kalyn's future at the club on Dylan Brown's ability to play halfback, in my opinion. Even if they do try to get Kalyn on the ball more, they will abandon it at some stage. They're not sticking to it for a full season & will eventually lean on Brown as the best lead half option we've got.
 
It's a bold play considering we've seen the Eels completely avoid having Brown play 7, preferring to rotate through a bunch of scrubs, while Moses has been out for a big chunk of the last 18 months.

I'd also be a lot more confident if AOB hadn't churned through 27 different halves during his time here.
 
Yeah I don't think it'll work, unless they're *really* well drilled to the point where the other players can just flow into their shapes without the halves leading the boys round by the nose. Then Kalyn is gone. Whether he walks early to go to Easts/Perth in 2027, or stays on till the end of the current deal. At least there's the consolation of having at least one good half and still having a good fullback after that.
 
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