The Boxing Thread

Beatell said:
Dont agree with all of that but sentiment is pretty true, i think Usyk also for me P4P to handily beat Fury and Joshua is no mean feat especially going up in weight and clear size. And that where i think i disagree with your assessment of Bud, i think he clearly won and made Canelo look bad (canelo has still been beating the brakes off others), but coming up in weight was a big thing and he looked great. I dont think Prime Bud beats Prime Floyd but it would have been a good fight. GGG was a monster that would be another great fight to have seen. The good thing is we actually got to see this fight, the Saudi' has made a lot happen lately that we would normally never get and thats a huge win for us.
Click to expand...
Yep agree with you Beatell. A clear victory for Crawford.

As for P4P…I’d go for Inoue.
 
Inoue is by eye test absolutely one of the most incredible boxers I’ve ever seen. When you show footage of his fights in slow motion, he deadset looks like the video has been tampered with, because the other guy is in slo mo and he looks normal speed. There’s honestly no real competition for him in the lower weights though unfortunately, which sucks. Legitimately think no one can beat him unless he goes up to a stupidly heavy division for his size. I think he’s copped a couple of knockdowns from being overly aggressive so that’s literally the only way he’ll ever lose, getting caught too badly, one punch KO. He’s so good to watch.
 
Too b
HarVeeGee13 said:
Inoue is by eye test absolutely one of the most incredible boxers I’ve ever seen. When you show footage of his fights in slow motion, he deadset looks like the video has been tampered with, because the other guy is in slo mo and he looks normal speed. There’s honestly no real competition for him in the lower weights though unfortunately, which sucks. Legitimately think no one can beat him unless he goes up to a stupidly heavy division for his size. I think he’s copped a couple of knockdowns from being overly aggressive so that’s literally the only way he’ll ever lose, getting caught too badly, one punch KO. He’s so good to watch.
Click to expand...
Too bad that we never got to see an Inoue v Loma battle. That would have been a spectacle.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Finally caught it. I think it's getting a bit carried away that Bud has been elevated to #1 P4P after that.

Don't get me wrong, there's a clear top 5 and he's in there with Usyk, Inoue, Bivol and Beterbiev, and it's a good win. But I don't think it was that dominant of a win, and I honestly have never thought Canelo was *that* good and now he's showing clear signs of wear & tear (almost 70 fights at 35 is a lot). In fact I think he's the most overrated boxer of the last 30 years, has been skillfully maneuvered around weights to avoid certain fights that might limit how much of a cash cow he is (eg - he ducked Benavidez, who's the wrong mix of "would probably beat him, easily" and "would hurt future earnings" - losses to Bivol and Bud don't do that to him).

Canelo reminds me a little bit of Tyson on the back end of his prime now where he didn't really throw in combinations and was just looking to throw a big power shot. Obviously a bit more of an orthodox stylist/counter-puncher than Tyson, but his activity just isn't very high. Maybe he's gotten very very comfortable with knowing the judges are just going to award him four rounds? He might deadset have 8-10 losses if he didn't get handed ridiculous decisions. He's a great fighter obviously, but for me he's not an all time great - he's a guy on the bubble of that. Every time he's gone up against a genuinely top, top, top fighter, it's been clear he just isn't on that level. Like he has genuinely never had a legitimate win over a fighter of that calibre. Ever.

I thought Bud neutralised him, clearly flustered him and won most exchanges, but it wasn't this *massively* dominant win IMO. He won about as clearly as GGG did the first time I reckon, and GGG beat a better Canelo, just got worse judging (their trilogy should have been 2-0 to GGG with one draw, instead it was scored the exact opposite way). Obviously it's a big jump up in weight for Bud, but he doesn't look like it's an unusual weight for him, and he had a height and reach advantage. I scored it 116-112, which is about what I scored GGG Alvarez 1 I think. Clear win but not a demolition.

Floyd beat Canelo 120-108 to anyone who's not totally blind/biased/bribed and 23 year old Canelo was a much better fighter, I think the narrative that Canelo "wasn't ready" is nonsense. He peaked young. And Floyd made him look like an amateur. I think Floyd is a despicable person but his win over Canelo is about as badly as an elite boxer has been outclassed without a KO.

For me the current #1 has to be Usyk still, what he's done as a natural cruiserweight beating guys who are so much bigger than him - and I think Tyson Fury is a better boxer than Canelo on top of that - in this hugely dominant fashion where he's always the one pressuring, he's taking risks, and he's dominating, no one else atm has achieved anything like that, is just in a different ball park to Crawford putting on a bit of weight and just sort of game managing his way to a very good but very one-paced fighter like Alvarez. Eye test tells me Bud and Inoue are the two next best, but you have to judge P4P by accomplishments IMO, and the real accomplishment against Canelo is making sure you get reasonable judges.

Am I crazy?
Click to expand...
Yes. Crazy.
 
A few things.

The other guys you mentioned in the P4P conversation haven’t achieved half of what Crawford has. Usyk only one who comes close. Crawford has solidified himself as one the greatest ever. Five weight champion and unified three divisions. Insane and crazy what he’s achieved and how he’s done it. What on earth has the monster or Beterbiev done that’s close other than dominate a division or two with one or two guys that
may have come/came close. Both great boxers and brilliant to watch.

And yes GGG beat Canelo. But it was close. Crawford and Canelo was not close. Canelo won three rounds max.

And I don’t think Canelo has been dodging fights. Who?? The only name that the same naysayers can come up with is Benavidez. Who else has he ducked….? I think Canelo is passed his prime for sure, but not finished yet. He should fight Benavidez and then retire because he’ll lose but get paid heaps doing it. And he likes getting paid heaps. Been in some great fights and a legend.

Crawford should probably retired too. He could fight Ennis but that’s it. Could probably go up to heavyweight and beat Dubois because he’s a cat!
 
I just identified them as the top 5, but there’s a bit of a gap between Usyk, Crawford, Inoue and the next two. I agree with that & I’m not sure I specifically said otherwise. I had Usyk 1 and Crawford & Inoue hard to split at 2/3 but yeah now Bud has to be above Inoue. But not #1, not to me.

Definitely Inoue doesn’t have the resume but I think that’s just worse competition which is def luck based, really just going on eye test there.

Just don’t accept that Bud getting on the protein to fight a guy he’s taller than and has a reach advantage against trumps a natural cruiserweight force feeding himself ice cream just to make weight and then beating up absolute giants lol. I thought Bud looked like he could have been fighting at this weight for years.

Didn’t say Crawford and Canelo was close. I said he comfortably beat him. Did I not say that? There was no doubt about it. What I said was from the way people talked about it I was expecting to see him absolutely beat the **** out of him the way he did Errol Spence. Who, if you’ll recall, he stopped. Instead he basically just very professionally beat him. Comfortable win, that people talked about like he beat him like a rented mule.

I scored it 116-112, sounds like you had it 117-111, doesn’t feel like that big a disparity.

Interestingly Crawford I feel was regarded as having a meh resume by so many until he was so dominant over Spence.
 
Last edited:
Parker vs Wardley a must watch for all boxing enthusiasts! A classic heavyweight banger. Both with granite chins. Parker defo up on the cards by a couple of rounds but Wardley is an animal. Possibly stopped a little prematurely, but hard to argue it was the wrong decision. Wilder aside I think Wardley hits harder than any boxer in recent times. He’s not flash, but a great Cinderella story and will now likely fight (and lose) Usyk for 4 belts!
 
The Artist Formerly Known as Aku'd said:
Parker vs Wardley a must watch for all boxing enthusiasts! A classic heavyweight banger. Both with granite chins. Parker defo up on the cards by a couple of rounds but Wardley is an animal. Possibly stopped a little prematurely, but hard to argue it was the wrong decision. Wilder aside I think Wardley hits harder than any boxer in recent times. He’s not flash, but a great Cinderella story and will now likely fight (and lose) Usyk for 4 belts!
Click to expand...
Yeah real entertaining fight but Wardley is losing 120-108 to Usyk if he goes the distance lol.
 
Yeah it was way early. I will say he didn’t do himself any favours but considering how often guys will be stumbling around barely conscious on their feet and get the benefit of the doubt once they hit a certain level, Joseph is entitled to be angry.
 
jamesgould said:
Really disappointing for Parker, he was meant to be next in line for a title fight before this fight, now he drops right down again. Probably retirement beckoning now.
Click to expand...
I actually slightly wanted him to win, despite being a proud Englishman. I just really like and respect Parker and thought he’d give Usyk more problems. But both amazing athletes and great sportsmen and the best fighter won on the night. Fabio could’ve got him out in the second.

No way Parker retires in my opinion. Usyk aside the whole division is in a state of flux taking wins off each other. There’s lots of big fights and cash to be made. In my opinion he should start seeking revenge for some losses. Fights vs AJ and Dillian Whyte to begin with. Which he wins both of.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top