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Annoys me Jai opetia doesn’t get much love in OZ. in Saudi, UK and the US he’s a huge name and only getting bigger. If not social media star, a retired football player and your last name isn't Tszyu no1 gives a sht. very disappointing as a boxing fan..
 
Annoys me Jai opetia doesn’t get much love in OZ. in Saudi, UK and the US he’s a huge name and only getting bigger. If not social media star, a retired football player and your last name isn't Tszyu no1 gives a sht. very disappointing as a boxing fan..
i love watching him fight if that counts! We have some great young boxers. Liam Paro is another one i enjoy watching.
 
A boxing masterclass from Terrence Crawford making him without doubt the current pound for pound champion and arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time. Three weight division undisputed world champion (1st ever) and now a champion in 5 different weight divisions. The list goes on. And he did it against Canelo at his most natural and effective weight on Mexican Independence day. The list goes on.

All hail King Bud.
 
Canelo was a warm favourite right? Which seems weird to me.
Canelo was rightly (slight) favorite. I think even he knew all things equal in weight, Crawford wins every day. The big question mark was how well Crawford was going to flow with such a big jump. And the general rule is, the bigger boxer wins when two good boxers meet. But Crawford is a freak. Just a technical genius. Not as good as a performance as the win vs Spence in my opinion , but under the circumstances it was a bigger win.
 
Was a good fight. Crawford was in control the whole time. Do you watch the banger 2 fight in the card? Those boys were fun.
100%. Looked as if he always knew he would win this fight. Impressive. Didn’t watch the card as on paper it looked average. Except the one prior where the Irish fellow beat the South American dude. Average flight - bit of a mismatch.
 
A boxing masterclass from Terrence Crawford making him without doubt the current pound for pound champion and arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time. Three weight division undisputed world champion (1st ever) and now a champion in 5 different weight divisions. The list goes on. And he did it against Canelo at his most natural and effective weight on Mexican Independence day. The list goes on.

All hail King Bud.
I was in Cessnock all weekend for gymnastics competitions. Missed the whole card. Which is fine, it's just a fight, and your daughter is only young once..
























**** me, could we not have sorted it all out in the morning?
 
Wasn’t planning on watching but my newly-turned 18 year old daughter rolled in at 4:30am doing her best impression of a prime Coal Train Dave Taylor so that was me wide awake and figured I would watch!

Not a huge boxing fan these days but thought Canelo would find a way to over power Crawford after a few difficult rounds. His wrong could I be? Crawford absolutely bossed it from beginning to end.

Still reckon GGG was robbed in the first couple of the fights with Canelo so not too disappointed that he’s lost his crown.
 
Ahh fond memories of Ricky. When he came to Australia in 2013 to promote a fight in brizzy, Father and I went up as Glenn Rushton was a good friend, and trainer of cam Hammond. His love of boxing was pretty surreal but gee he loved a beer. I don't think I've seen someone so annebriated then a couple hours later look sober as a post. Anyway dad's going to be shattered. May our British fatty R.I.P
 
Wasn’t planning on watching but my newly-turned 18 year old daughter rolled in at 4:30am doing her best impression of a prime Coal Train Dave Taylor so that was me wide awake and figured I would watch!

Not a huge boxing fan these days but thought Canelo would find a way to over power Crawford after a few difficult rounds. His wrong could I be? Crawford absolutely bossed it from beginning to end.

Still reckon GGG was robbed in the first couple of the fights with Canelo so not too disappointed that he’s lost his crown.
Finally caught it. I think it's getting a bit carried away that Bud has been elevated to #1 P4P after that.

Don't get me wrong, there's a clear top 5 and he's in there with Usyk, Inoue, Bivol and Beterbiev, and it's a good win. But I don't think it was that dominant of a win, and I honestly have never thought Canelo was *that* good and now he's showing clear signs of wear & tear (almost 70 fights at 35 is a lot). In fact I think he's the most overrated boxer of the last 30 years, has been skillfully maneuvered around weights to avoid certain fights that might limit how much of a cash cow he is (eg - he ducked Benavidez, who's the wrong mix of "would probably beat him, easily" and "would hurt future earnings" - losses to Bivol and Bud don't do that to him).

Canelo reminds me a little bit of Tyson on the back end of his prime now where he didn't really throw in combinations and was just looking to throw a big power shot. Obviously a bit more of an orthodox stylist/counter-puncher than Tyson, but his activity just isn't very high. Maybe he's gotten very very comfortable with knowing the judges are just going to award him four rounds? He might deadset have 8-10 losses if he didn't get handed ridiculous decisions. He's a great fighter obviously, but for me he's not an all time great - he's a guy on the bubble of that. Every time he's gone up against a genuinely top, top, top fighter, it's been clear he just isn't on that level. Like he has genuinely never had a legitimate win over a fighter of that calibre. Ever.

I thought Bud neutralised him, clearly flustered him and won most exchanges, but it wasn't this *massively* dominant win IMO. He won about as clearly as GGG did the first time I reckon, and GGG beat a better Canelo, just got worse judging (their trilogy should have been 2-0 to GGG with one draw, instead it was scored the exact opposite way). Obviously it's a big jump up in weight for Bud, but he doesn't look like it's an unusual weight for him, and he had a height and reach advantage. I scored it 116-112, which is about what I scored GGG Alvarez 1 I think. Clear win but not a demolition.

Floyd beat Canelo 120-108 to anyone who's not totally blind/biased/bribed and 23 year old Canelo was a much better fighter, I think the narrative that Canelo "wasn't ready" is nonsense. He peaked young. And Floyd made him look like an amateur. I think Floyd is a despicable person but his win over Canelo is about as badly as an elite boxer has been outclassed without a KO.

For me the current #1 has to be Usyk still, what he's done as a natural cruiserweight beating guys who are so much bigger than him - and I think Tyson Fury is a better boxer than Canelo on top of that - in this hugely dominant fashion where he's always the one pressuring, he's taking risks, and he's dominating, no one else atm has achieved anything like that, is just in a different ball park to Crawford putting on a bit of weight and just sort of game managing his way to a very good but very one-paced fighter like Alvarez. Eye test tells me Bud and Inoue are the two next best, but you have to judge P4P by accomplishments IMO, and the real accomplishment against Canelo is making sure you get reasonable judges.

Am I crazy?
 
Finally caught it. I think it's getting a bit carried away that Bud has been elevated to #1 P4P after that.

Don't get me wrong, there's a clear top 5 and he's in there with Usyk, Inoue, Bivol and Beterbiev, and it's a good win. But I don't think it was that dominant of a win, and I honestly have never thought Canelo was *that* good and now he's showing clear signs of wear & tear (almost 70 fights at 35 is a lot). In fact I think he's the most overrated boxer of the last 30 years, has been skillfully maneuvered around weights to avoid certain fights that might limit how much of a cash cow he is (eg - he ducked Benavidez, who's the wrong mix of "would probably beat him, easily" and "would hurt future earnings" - losses to Bivol and Bud don't do that to him).

Canelo reminds me a little bit of Tyson on the back end of his prime now where he didn't really throw in combinations and was just looking to throw a big power shot. Obviously a bit more of an orthodox stylist/counter-puncher than Tyson, but his activity just isn't very high. Maybe he's gotten very very comfortable with knowing the judges are just going to award him four rounds? He might deadset have 8-10 losses if he didn't get handed ridiculous decisions. He's a great fighter obviously, but for me he's not an all time great - he's a guy on the bubble of that. Every time he's gone up against a genuinely top, top, top fighter, it's been clear he just isn't on that level. Like he has genuinely never had a legitimate win over a fighter of that calibre. Ever.

I thought Bud neutralised him, clearly flustered him and won most exchanges, but it wasn't this *massively* dominant win IMO. He won about as clearly as GGG did the first time I reckon, and GGG beat a better Canelo, just got worse judging (their trilogy should have been 2-0 to GGG with one draw, instead it was scored the exact opposite way). Obviously it's a big jump up in weight for Bud, but he doesn't look like it's an unusual weight for him, and he had a height and reach advantage. I scored it 116-112, which is about what I scored GGG Alvarez 1 I think. Clear win but not a demolition.

Floyd beat Canelo 120-108 to anyone who's not totally blind/biased/bribed and 23 year old Canelo was a much better fighter, I think the narrative that Canelo "wasn't ready" is nonsense. He peaked young. And Floyd made him look like an amateur. I think Floyd is a despicable person but his win over Canelo is about as badly as an elite boxer has been outclassed without a KO.

For me the current #1 has to be Usyk still, what he's done as a natural cruiserweight beating guys who are so much bigger than him - and I think Tyson Fury is a better boxer than Canelo on top of that - in this hugely dominant fashion where he's always the one pressuring, he's taking risks, and he's dominating, no one else atm has achieved anything like that, is just in a different ball park to Crawford putting on a bit of weight and just sort of game managing his way to a very good but very one-paced fighter like Alvarez. Eye test tells me Bud and Inoue are the two next best, but you have to judge P4P by accomplishments IMO, and the real accomplishment against Canelo is making sure you get reasonable judges.

Am I crazy?
Dont agree with all of that but sentiment is pretty true, i think Usyk also for me P4P to handily beat Fury and Joshua is no mean feat especially going up in weight and clear size. And that where i think i disagree with your assessment of Bud, i think he clearly won and made Canelo look bad (canelo has still been beating the brakes off others), but coming up in weight was a big thing and he looked great. I dont think Prime Bud beats Prime Floyd but it would have been a good fight. GGG was a monster that would be another great fight to have seen. The good thing is we actually got to see this fight, the Saudi' has made a lot happen lately that we would normally never get and thats a huge win for us.
 
Oh I definitely agree, he clearly won. It's just I thought some people made it sound like he tore him apart. I would say he clearly won the majority of rounds but there were only a couple which I thought he was *dominant* in.

Bud would absolutely have been the fighter to give Floyd the most problems, it would have been very close.

But yeah I've just never watched Canelo and thought, "wow, this guy's *awesome*", that's all. This is the guy who was getting absolutely worked by Amir Khan and is just lucky Khan had no chin. I look at Canelo as a guy where, if he was around in the 80's, he would have been one of the very good fighters who fought tough against the Four Kings, but lost.
 
Oh I definitely agree, he clearly won. It's just I thought some people made it sound like he tore him apart. I would say he clearly won the majority of rounds but there were only a couple which I thought he was *dominant* in.

Bud would absolutely have been the fighter to give Floyd the most problems, it would have been very close.

But yeah I've just never watched Canelo and thought, "wow, this guy's *awesome*", that's all. This is the guy who was getting absolutely worked by Amir Khan and is just lucky Khan had no chin. I look at Canelo as a guy where, if he was around in the 80's, he would have been one of the very good fighters who fought tough against the Four Kings, but lost.
Yeah agree as a pure boxer Canelo doesnt really rate, hes more of the bully boxer that closes the ring and smoothers his opponents. I think if they fought again Bud would beat him more convincingly, i thought he was preserving himself and picking and choosing his moments and knew he was winning so took less risks.
 
Yeah I hope they fight again with Bud more used to the weight.

I guess what I mean is I was just disappointed, I’m a bit of a Canelo hater as you can see lol and the way people talked about this fight I was kind of expecting a beat down like the one Bud gave Errol Spence (just without knockdowns because Alvarez does have that chin, that’s his best trait). Instead I kind of felt like it was the exact kind of fight people used to complain about with Floyd where he basically just took care of business.

On the flip side, Canelo clearly just very flustered by how he was being punished whenever he applied pressure, maybe next time he’ll come in with a mindset that he just has to go for it.
 
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