NRL Round 14 - Storm V Knights - 2:00pm Sunday 9th June - AAMI Park, Melbourne
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If this is the case it then creates bias....shouldn't refs just officiate what they see in front of them. Not something they picked up on the video.
If they are doing video then it'd clearly not working as Mahoney has run in multiple times to start a scrap and hasn't been sent.
It was just so constant, I felt like there had to be something to it. But like you it did strike me as strange. Good job on actually checking it out, I really had no idea from watching it live.I did rewatch that 20 minute period that I thought that was in and only once was it a bit suspect the calling out of Phoenix. But in each other time, 10+ times Crossland was actually out of the line. I feel like a fool
Hate admitting I might be wrong, (just ask my Mrs I’ve never been wrong once in 14 years) but you could say we went from being in front to struggling from behind off the back of Crossland being too eager out of the line and it’s cost us dearly.
Well spotted good sir
MBQLD
Clint Newton
I can’t believe how much room they gave Luai yesterday to skip about in, change direction, do his hair and scratch his arse. I was just screaming “TACKLE HIM, TACKLE HIM… ****ING TACKLE HIM!!!”
You can’t give a crap half anytime to think let alone one of the best on the planet. Knights really need to clean up that part of their game.
MullosLefttoRight
Jason Edwards
Phoenix would stand out because he's the only bloke in the entire forward pack who consistently gets off the line (J Saf does it a bit too but he's just naturally slow so it doesn't stand out as much).
I'm sure he pushes the limits when attempting to drive that linespeed but it would look so much worse when he's 2-3 steps in front of every other forward in the middle.
I'm sure he pushes the limits when attempting to drive that linespeed but it would look so much worse when he's 2-3 steps in front of every other forward in the middle.
Still_Nutty
Josh Smith
Fully agree and that is certainly a big part of it - other 'good' teams consistently head off early...but do it in unison and they are regularly given latitude because refs seem less inclined to focus on it/call it out when defensive lines move as 1, even if they are technically pushing the limits.
The good teams also work/wrestle tackled players as hard as they can to get them on their back or drive them back as much as they can before the refs call held to assert dominance, which also buys them leeway when it comes to the ruck penalties. The mediocre Knights in defence regularly have 2-3 players all going high and allowing the attacker to continue advancing for 5-8 metres before the ref calls held and then giving the attacking teams penalties for defensive infringements because we don't regularly establish dominance in the ruck contest.
The Storm defensive structure is probably the benchmark and their strategy is built on line speed (in unison) and consistently maximising their dominance in every tackle they make with these 1%ers. It is also why they seem to get the rub of the green... because their effort to establish ruck dominance is rewarded by the way referees are instructed to interpret and manage the game.
Although it does require a sustained effort to maintain, it also provides the advantage of controlling the opposition and the tempo of the game more broadly, so fatigue is often offset by the way the refs 'reward' dominance in a defensive sense.
Kurriboy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
This is a big part of it.
Refs see a dominant tackle, or 3 in the tackle and they allow extra time.
Refs see passive tackles where the attaacker finds their front and isn't being dominated, they are yelling to the tacklers to get off very quickly. And the attacker will be trying/ablr to get up quickly putting more pressure on the ref to gain a fast play the ball.
The fighting to get up bit is a good point. Quite often we look in absolutely no hurry to get to our feet and play the ball. Including an instance where we'd made a break last week, I don't remember the exact incident ... but it seemed like we could have pushed and got a played sin-binned for holding down, instead we just lay there waiting for them to eventually get off.
Kurriboy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
It really kills me watching it, then see our opponent getting tackled and nearly straight to their feet to play the ball, or straight away fighting to get up.
It's those effort areas I see that is the difference between us and the better teams. We play the game at a much lower intensity than those teams and that gives them a huge advantage. And it permeates everything we do, D line, ball movement, attacking line speed, kick chase, tackles both wrestle and playing the ball, everything to be honest.
Another thing that is just lazy is not getting your arm on the ball carriers arm or ball to stop offloads. It feels like I am always seeing 2 and three in the tackle and an easy offload.
MBQLD
Clint Newton
James. It happened a few times in the last game guys laying there like a stunned mullet, but it happens a lot and would be great if they showed some urgency. You see Leo or Lucas with a big bust, gets taken down and he thrashes about to get up and wins the penalty. They allll need to do that.
Tim
Mark Sargent
Marzhew is another that fights hard to get up and I reckon he probably wins us the most penalties, and most coming out our own end.
Battler
Steve Simpson
I agree with everything you say, but this has been ****ting me for 20 years. We would have to be the worst side in the NRL for preventing offloads.
Defence wins games
Darren Treacy
It has become incredibly obvious that Newcastle Knights have to win any particular game several times over.
This is simply a fact.
Defence wins games
Darren Treacy
I agree with all of this.
Mainly coz we continuously shoot ourselves in the foot.
Celticman98
Clint Newton
No team beat themselves more than the Newcastle Knights.
Kurriboy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Exactly, all of this low intensity football, leads to us losing when we get in to the grind with teams because we can't out grind them, we don't out work them.
That leads to us continually coming out of our own try line at the end of every set, which leads to pressure and tries scores against us. Repeat repeat. We seem to be able to maintain the intensity required for 10 minute spurts, and then the opposition if they aren't rabble, start to gain the upper hand.
The only time we get a real attacking chance is when we get a penalty coming out of our end, or individual brilliance making a break.
I used to say, any team that turns up to play against us is going to win, it's still largely the case today.
OB has us playing a style of football that really doesn't suit this club. We aren't a high workrate club like the Roosters and Melbourne that he came from. Those clubs culture is way ahead of ours. His football strategy is sound, but he can't get this club to achieve it and I believe he is lost on why!
mozza
Game on broheim
We also rarely win easy. When we have a potentially match winning lead after scoring a try, you know the other team will do a short kick off and score almost immediately.