2025 Recruitment And Retention

If we got Dom we likely would have to pay his full contract price, no help from Roosters.
And if we do sign him then that’s one less availability for a position we need, middle/prop
 
Grandpa Joe - Prev Lord said:
Leo's situation was financial and it's pretty clear the club was in the wrong there and we paid the price, players should never be promised any position, should be dependent on their development and what's the best for the team.

As dumb as we are I am sure we never promise positions.
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Yeah no way he was promised the position. That’s ridiculous. Leo was completely different - he was promised something financially he didn’t receive.
 
Les Misérables said:
This is why the Roosters are a top club. They don't tolerate failure. They're brutal but no one criticises it because they expect as much from the Roosters
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Seriously? You gave the Knights *so* much **** for losing Dom. Worst failure in recruiting in the club's history you said, almost word for word I'm pretty sure. You were his biggest fan. But it's actually good for the Roosters to punt him because "they don't tolerate failure"? Can you square that one with me?

Giving a guy like Dom the kind of deal they did, and giving up on him at age 22 midway through year 2 of that deal, would be called out for what it is if it happened at any other club - complete amateur hour. Who the hell looks at a 22 year old and says "nope this is as good as he'll get, time to pack it in, we can't fix this"? What is Robbo's job if it's not making his players better?

I'm keen to get him back, I don't think we've changed a lot about what we do and he fit our systems like a glove. But imagine him ending up at an actual top club like Melbourne. A true doomsday scenario. He'd score 40 tries a year there.

That's a real top club, Melbourne - they take flawed players & get the best out of them.

Trent Loiero had about as bad a performance as I can remember from any one player at Magic Round. He's named today. And I'd bet anything he makes it up to his teammates with a great game.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
What about me a week ago essentially saying "NO! DEATH TO TRAITORS!" about the prospect of Dom returning... I've completely backflipped on that one within days lol.

I may have watched his 2023 "All tries" video in the intervening time...
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You do like to change your mind. Like a fresh set of undies.
 
jamesgould said:
Probably true, it's not a great message, but I'd still have him straight back into first grade for us. Not like he's not match fit ... and he's been playing NSW Cup for another club. So why delay the inevitable?
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Because standards, it will 100% cast a shadow across the club and show that it doesn’t matter what you do, if they find a player they deem better than hit the bricks to reserve grade.

Schiller has done nothing to be dropped and is scoring as well, dropping him sends him and others a big message.

Injuries and poor form happens, do it than buy doing it instantly sends a poor message
 
KPGreatness said:
Because standards, it will 100% cast a shadow across the club and show that it doesn’t matter what you do, if they find a player they deem better than hit the bricks to reserve grade.

Schiller has done nothing to be dropped and is scoring as well, dropping him sends him and others a big message.

Injuries and poor form happens, do it than buy doing it instantly sends a poor message
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I don’t think Schiller has been great. But regardless, if you sign a better player, you put him in first grade. Will Dylan Brown have to earn his spot over Cogger next year?

Nobody owns or is promised a spot in first grade. The NRL is cutthroat.
 
KPGreatness said:
Because standards, it will 100% cast a shadow across the club and show that it doesn’t matter what you do, if they find a player they deem better than hit the bricks to reserve grade.

Schiller has done nothing to be dropped and is scoring as well, dropping him sends him and others a big message.

Injuries and poor form happens, do it than buy doing it instantly sends a poor message
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Completely disagree. Iron sharpens iron. You buy players to compete, and best player earns the spot. Also, waiting until we're desperate for a fill-in is risky and means we're in a worse negotiating position when the time comes. Have as many NRL-ready players on the roster as the cap can allow.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Seriously? You gave the Knights *so* much **** for losing Dom. Worst failure in recruiting in the club's history you said, almost word for word I'm pretty sure. You were his biggest fan. But it's actually good for the Roosters to punt him because "they don't tolerate failure"? Can you square that one with me?

Giving a guy like Dom the kind of deal they did, and giving up on him at age 22 midway through year 2 of that deal, would be called out for what it is if it happened at any other club - complete amateur hour. Who the hell looks at a 22 year old and says "nope this is as good as he'll get, time to pack it in, we can't fix this"? What is Robbo's job if it's not making his players better?

I'm keen to get him back, I don't think we've changed a lot about what we do and he fit our systems like a glove. But imagine him ending up at an actual top club like Melbourne. A true doomsday scenario. He'd score 40 tries a year there.

That's a real top club, Melbourne - they take flawed players & get the best out of them.

Trent Loiero had about as bad a performance as I can remember from any one player at Magic Round. He's named today. And I'd bet anything he makes it up to his teammates with a great game.
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Here's why it's different:

* The Knights struggle to recruit great talent. The Roosters don't.
* The Knights really really needed Dom. The Roosters don't.
* The Knights are constrained by a salary cap. The Roosters obviously aren't.

If Dom has a poor year next year at the Knights and the Knights offered to release him, I'd be absolutely livid with the club. And I should clarify, I don't think Dom deserves to be punted. I reckon the Roosters are making an error. I genuinely do.

But my opinion of the player isn't relevant to the fact that the Roosters, rightly or wrongly, showed a bloke the door who wasn't up to scratch. Can the knights afford to behave the same way as the Roosters and still have a footy club, probably not. What I'm advocating for in that post about the Roosters was a general philosophy that we'd do well to have *more* of as a club and a fan base.
 
Beatell said:
You do like to change your mind. Like a fresh set of undies.
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But I don’t change my undies very often, a boom boom tish.

To be honest, another new expansion team being announced in the intervening time made a difference too.

I feel like the calculus with those teams coming in has shifted from “carefully manage your cap year to year” to “lock down as many elite players as you can to the end of 2028 & hopefully beyond & figure out the rest later; don’t be one the teams that gets gutted if your best talent by the Bears/PNG”.

If Dom makes $500K now, with the cap likely going up, I don’t just want him back - I’d love to see if he’s happy to keep earning that till about 2029ish.
 
Les Misérables said:
Here's why it's different:

* The Knights struggle to recruit great talent. The Roosters don't.
* The Knights really really needed Dom. The Roosters don't.
* The Knights are constrained by a salary cap. The Roosters obviously aren't.

If Dom has a poor year next year at the Knights and the Knights offered to release him, I'd be absolutely livid with the club. And I should clarify, I don't think Dom deserves to be punted. I reckon the Roosters are making an error. I genuinely do.

But my opinion of the player isn't relevant to the fact that the Roosters, rightly or wrongly, showed a bloke the door who wasn't up to scratch. Can the knights afford to behave the same way as the Roosters and still have a footy club, probably not. What I'm advocating for in that post about the Roosters was a general philosophy that we'd do well to have *more* of as a club and a fan base.
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I’m not sure how any of this makes them elite as an organisation though? Just born on third base.

Are they any better than any other club would be if you located them in Bondi & exempted them from the rules anyone else has to follow?
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
I’m not sure how any of this makes them elite as an organisation though? Just born on third base.

Are they any better than any other club would be if you located them in Bondi & exempted them from the rules anyone else has to follow?
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Not a bad point, those factors probably account for much of the good fortune. But again, being uncompromising about success means being intolerant to failure. It's not my opinion that the Knights have a losers mentality, that's more or less how we're viewed by everyone. There's things we could do to change that.

First thing on the list would be to sack AOB and throw a monster contract at the best coach's coming off contract. Or something of that kind.

As its stands, we value risk avoidance more than desire for success. It's just oozes loser.
 
Damn, I was waiting patiently at the Dom Young thread waiting for It to blow up.

Looks like I turned up at the wrong address but being here now all I have to say Is this about the situation.

My my, how the turns have tabled. 🤣

Extend Gags and have Dom outside of him and I can see why we can't be averaging 30+ points a game next year with Dyldo Baggins to boot.
 
Starling extending at the Raiders for two more years. What does that mean for Brailey? Surely they won’t let go of Pattie.
 
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