Recruitment And Retention Discussion

Gutsy said:
I wouldn’t have him back, not because he left Newcastle in search of a better offer. The NRL is a business, and financial decisions are made all the time that upset some fans and excite others.
Good luck to him .
I just think he overachieved at the Knights, and is not the quality winger the Roosters thought he was, especially with no Manu and Keary feeding him the passes and kicks like Gags and Ponga used to. I think theRoosters have realised they payed overs for a Ferrari and while they put E10 in it, it won’t run properly .
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Disagree. Dom Young is the best winger in the comp. I know people will laugh at that but I haven't quite seen a winger like him before. He's all outcomes. I'd love to see a statistic that measures touches per positive outcome e.g. earning a penalty for your team for being impossible to tackle and wrestle when carrying the ball out of your end, or scoring a try that literally no one else would score but you just make it look easy so people hardly appreciate what is required to score many of the tries he scores.

He's also an underrated defender. Again, you'll notice great defensive outcomes around him. People don't appreciate how his range and agility as a defender allows him to cover defend as well as anyone in the game.

The reason I was so cut about him leaving is because I haven't been that excited about a player since Mullo debuted. Call me crazy. But that's the player I see.
 
Gutsy said:
I wouldn’t have him back, not because he left Newcastle in search of a better offer. The NRL is a business, and financial decisions are made all the time that upset some fans and excite others.
Good luck to him .
I just think he overachieved at the Knights, and is not the quality winger the Roosters thought he was, especially with no Manu and Keary feeding him the passes and kicks like Gags and Ponga used to. I think theRoosters have realised they payed overs for a Ferrari and while they put E10 in it, it won’t run properly .
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Even though Dom scored some tries for the Rorters last season, many of them just required him to “fall over the line”, often as a last resort if Manu or Teddy knew it was impossible for them to score themselves.
There are a huge number of very big egos at the Rorters and they weren’t going to give Dom anything if it took away from them in any way.
As Robbo says, “ it is the Roosters way”.
 
Les Misérables said:
Disagree. Dom Young is the best winger in the comp. I know people will laugh at that but I haven't quite seen a winger like him before. He's all outcomes. I'd love to see a statistic that measures touches per positive outcome e.g. earning a penalty for your team for being impossible to tackle and wrestle when carrying the ball out of your end, or scoring a try that literally no one else would score but you just make it look easy so people hardly appreciate what is required to score many of the tries he scores.

He's also an underrated defender. Again, you'll notice great defensive outcomes around him. People don't appreciate how his range and agility as a defender allows him to cover defend as well as anyone in the game.

The reason I was so cut about him leaving is because I haven't been that excited about a player since Mullo debuted. Call me crazy. But that's the player I see.
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That ship has sailed and our cap is now shaped away from that, so it's a moot point I guess.
 
Les Misérables said:
Disagree. Dom Young is the best winger in the comp. I know people will laugh at that but I haven't quite seen a winger like him before. He's all outcomes. I'd love to see a statistic that measures touches per positive outcome e.g. earning a penalty for your team for being impossible to tackle and wrestle when carrying the ball out of your end, or scoring a try that literally no one else would score but you just make it look easy so people hardly appreciate what is required to score many of the tries he scores.

He's also an underrated defender. Again, you'll notice great defensive outcomes around him. People don't appreciate how his range and agility as a defender allows him to cover defend as well as anyone in the game.

The reason I was so cut about him leaving is because I haven't been that excited about a player since Mullo debuted. Call me crazy. But that's the player I see.
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People on here have very short memories …
 
Dom was great for us, don’t get me wrong. We clearly missed him for most of last season. Then we put Fletcher Sharpe there and we didn’t anymore. Then we paid Sharpe probably about the amount of money Dom turned down from us to become our new five-eighth. So far the returns on that are looking very positive.

James Schiller was signed as Dom’s replacement on a cheap deal and looks really good so far.

I can’t say I’m crying about how it all turned out.
 
Les Misérables said:
Disagree. Dom Young is the best winger in the comp. I know people will laugh at that but I haven't quite seen a winger like him before. He's all outcomes. I'd love to see a statistic that measures touches per positive outcome e.g. earning a penalty for your team for being impossible to tackle and wrestle when carrying the ball out of your end, or scoring a try that literally no one else would score but you just make it look easy so people hardly appreciate what is required to score many of the tries he scores.

He's also an underrated defender. Again, you'll notice great defensive outcomes around him. People don't appreciate how his range and agility as a defender allows him to cover defend as well as anyone in the game.

The reason I was so cut about him leaving is because I haven't been that excited about a player since Mullo debuted. Call me crazy. But that's the player I see.
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It’s truely amazing how different people can watch the same player and come up with a completely different opinion of them. It makes for good discussion at least.

I could agree that Dom would be in the discussion for best winger in the comp if we were talking purely just finishing (and even that area he’s been regressing imo). The more I watch him though, the more I see him as more of a liability to his team than an asset. His defensive reads and contact are horrendous, for all his speed he has the turning circle of a truck, if a kick gets put in behind him you know the opposition is going to score. His understanding of the game and decision making on the other side of the ball are really poor. For example when he got found out defensively in a game recently he then tried to trip the opposition to make up for it. Kick returns are so underrated for a winger. In Dom’s defence he will jump in there to try and contribute, but most times he’ll run sideways trying to find a gap to go for the fancy play, where what his side really needs is for him to just run hard and straight.

To me Dom is a flat track bully. He looks amazing on the end of a good backline that’s humming, but you don’t want him in your side when things aren’t going well.

I said when he left that on his way down to a Bondi he needed to stop at Gagai’s place and give him at least half of the massive contract he got from the Roosters for making him look good and getting that contract to begin with. He really fooled the Roosters there.

I have a few Roosters supporting mates and they all absolutely hate the bloke and want him dropped, so I’d 100% believe that rumour was about him.
 
Chaister said:
It’s truely amazing how different people can watch the same player and come up with a completely different opinion of them. It makes for good discussion at least.

I could agree that Dom would be in the discussion for best winger in the comp if we were talking purely just finishing (and even that area he’s been regressing imo). The more I watch him though, the more I see him as more of a liability to his team than an asset. His defensive reads and contact are horrendous, for all his speed he has the turning circle of a truck, if a kick gets put in behind him you know the opposition is going to score. His understanding of the game and decision making on the other side of the ball are really poor. For example when he got found out defensively in a game recently he then tried to trip the opposition to make up for it. Kick returns are so underrated for a winger. In Dom’s defence he will jump in there to try and contribute, but most times he’ll run sideways trying to find a gap to go for the fancy play, where what his side really needs is for him to just run hard and straight.

To me Dom is a flat track bully. He looks amazing on the end of a good backline that’s humming, but you don’t want him in your side when things aren’t going well.

I said when he left that on his way down to a Bondi he needed to stop at Gagai’s place and give him at least half of the massive contract he got from the Roosters for making him look good and getting that contract to begin with. He really fooled the Roosters there.

I have a few Roosters supporting mates and they all absolutely hate the bloke and want him dropped, so I’d 100% believe that rumour was about him.
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The Roosters did try and buy Gagai as well.
So they probably worked this out last year.

Dom had the defensive issues here but I think Gags helped with that and Dom wasnt on big money so the expectation was different.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Brian To’o is the best winger in the comp IMO and it’s not particularly close.
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Yep it’s not even close.

Lomax, Talau, Turuva, Mulitalo, Marzhew, Kiraz, Warbrick, Isaako are all better than Dom as well in my personal opinion. There may be more, these are just the ones off the top of my head.

I was also pretty sad when Dom left - but I realised it wasn’t going to be the end of the world like some were predicting.
 
krustykraz said:
The Roosters did try and buy Gagai as well.
So they probably worked this out last year.

Dom had the defensive issues here but I think Gags helped with that and Dom wasnt on big money so the expectation was different.
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Totally, he benefitted from forming a great combination with Gagai, compared to a rather inconsistent group he’s been outside at the Roosters. Also AOB had the brains to create a gameplan which suited his game.

But there’s no doubt he was playing fantastically for us, his defence was much less of a concern than it is now, and his attack was close to unmatched while he was here.

There’s a reason we gave him that big offer. He was a huge part of our attack while at the club. I’d say he was pretty comfortably in the top five wingers while here.

I don’t think we’d take him back now, we’ve put money into our spine which is totally the right thing to do. And I think he made a huge mistake by leaving. But let’s not pretend he wasn’t outstanding when he was with us.
 
Dom scores tries no one else can score.
Put him outside a quality centre who can help him out in defence and he's worth every penny.
Marzhew is actually a much worse defender than Dom, but you have to beat Bradman before you get to Marzhew, so no one notices.

Honestly, the centre playing with Dom this year is a rookie who doesn't look firstgrade standard - that's the problem - not Dom.
Put Dom outside Gags or Best and he's scoring a try a game all year and his defence isn't an issue.
 
For the record I would take Dom back and be happy about it if some situation were ever to arise that the Roosters were footing a very large amount of the contract. He’d need to work himself into the team though as opposition sides have now worked him out. I will say in his defence, I don’t think the Roosters are handling his development well, as he’s still fairly new to league. I was a bit surprised to hear him say sprint training was his biggest focus over the off season when that’s clearly not his issue.
 
Chaister said:
For the record I would take Dom back and be happy about it if some situation were ever to arise that the Roosters were footing a very large amount of the contract. He’d need to work himself into the team though as opposition sides have now worked him out. I will say in his defence, I don’t think the Roosters are handling his development well, as he’s still fairly new to league. I was a bit surprised to hear him say sprint training was his biggest focus over the off season when that’s clearly not his issue.
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In what way is he new to league? I believe he’s played his whole life …
 
Why are we talking about Dom? I think this started up again because someone had sympathy for him, I don't!

He chose to leave, end of story. Not likely coming back as we have moved on with other signings and our cap space isn't going towards bringing Dom back.

The Knights are on the up, the Roosters whilst you can never count them out due to their recruitment abilities, but they are stagnating.
 
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