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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
It's very easy to say everyone else is cheating when you're club has been a joke for 20 years
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Totally, it just always looks like victim complex to me. Same as moaning about the refs.
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Dairi Kovae
70% of NRL bosses also think it is so*. It's just the way to be successful in the modern game, and the Knights need to start doing the same if we are ever to see a Premiership again.
Either join the successful clubs in cap "management" or hope for a fluke of happenstance. The choice is simple, the remedy might be hard.
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"Seventy per cent of NRL club bosses believe rival teams use illegal third-party deals to flaunt the competition’s salary cap system."
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...m/news-story/a652390e8ef0dbfba40ccfd460bec52b
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Andrew Hodge
I'm convinced. There's nothing quite as compelling as a survey.
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Sean Rudder
Settle down ladies everyone knows those other teams are sleaze. There’s such thing as bad press and ANOTHER salary cap scandal isn’t good press in a game that’s seen so much over the years and when you add domestic violence, sex tapes, drugs and alcohol every few weeks then dodgy deals might just be something worth hiding.
Until all deals are made transparent including 3rd for every club then sleazy agents and club officials will get away with plenty, no matter what you wish to believe.
Until all deals are made transparent including 3rd for every club then sleazy agents and club officials will get away with plenty, no matter what you wish to believe.
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Dairi Kovae
I totally agree with you, we have common ground here. Very compelling is the factual data contained within the article, along with the opinions of the educated minds tasked with running the game.
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Sean Rudder
Sure, that's how businesses compete, via whatever means possible. The only thing preventing clubs from overtly breaking the rules are the punishments that follow. So they are crafty about how they seek an advantage over their competitors. 3rd party arrangements provide that flexibility.
How 3rd parties deal with players is difficult to govern. And rich clubs enjoy the fact that legally there is arms length seperation between the 3rd party and the club, despite the relationship being of core interest to the club.
I'm 100% certain rich clubs don't abuse that system. And because I personally haven't seen audited financials to prove this, there's no logical basis to even hold the suspicion. Obviously
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Andrew Hodge
Correct. Clear difference between suspecting something and then suggesting that others are gullible because they don't hold the same suspicion. As I said earlier, that view is hilarious.
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Andrew Hodge
Amazing that that article came out 18 months ago as well, and yet the NRL has taken no further action. I'm guessing Fox Sports surveys carry the weight they should: nil.
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Sean Rudder
Logically, you're incorrect. If the standard of evidence required to be justified in 'suspicion' was proof, it would by definition no longer be suspicion, would it? It would be knowledge of said thing - I'd be making a statement of fact, not a claim.
The standard of evidence for suspicion, on the other hand, would be if one team were to field a substantially more valuable team than their competitors, year after year, decade after decade. Even if the difference in value cannot be precisely quantified and is largely anecdotal. That's still meets a fair standard for suspicion.
Area51
Dairi Kovae
Absolutely . Although the article is not for this year, 3rd party deals are beneficial far beyond the present.
It is no coincidence the clubs mentioned in the article are Storm ( presently 5th ) Broncos (2nd) Panthers ( 1st) Sharks (4th) .
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Sean Rudder
I'll also make note of the Broncos clean history regarding their strict adherence to the salary cap, even prior to the introduction of 3rd party sponsorship. I'm sure everyone agrees the Broncos were fully compliant throughout the 90s
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Andrew Hodge
Suspect whatever you want. If you're basing it off punching some numbers into a calculator, and telling people they are gullible to believe otherwise, then you're just as gullible.
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Sean Rudder
Lets just simplify things and move on.
I suspect the Roosters (almost definitely) and probably the Broncos of cheating the cap.
You believe they are fully compliant.
I'm happy for anyone reading this to decide which of the two positions represents gullibility.
Area51
Dairi Kovae
* As written in the article, clearly in the second paragraph (that includes a link) - it is a Fairfax Media Survey.
I am 100% sure the games major stake holder, and owner of the Broncos ( and formerly the Storm ), has no sway over the governing body
- nil indeed. That News Ltd even posted an article on the subject is remarkable, that nothing come of it, no surprise. Murdoch press would rather report on Mad Monday celebrations, than bring into question the integrity of their investment.
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Andrew Hodge
You don't tell me what I believe, as I never said that. I'll reserve my position until I see something, anything other than online speculation and conspiracy theories, to suggest clubs are non-compliant.
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Andrew Hodge
Well, that changes everything. I just went from not caring, to not giving a f***.* As written in the article, clearly in the second paragraph (that includes a link) - it is a Fairfax Media Survey.
I am 100% sure the games major stake holder, and owner of the Broncos ( and formerly the Storm ), has no sway over the governing body
That News Ltd even posted an article on the subject is remarkable, that nothing come of it, no surprise. Murdoch press would rather report on Mad Monday celebrations, than bring into question the integrity of their investment.
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Sean Rudder
Hang on, there's no room for agnosticism here. The choice is between compliant and non compliant.
For some strange reason you've taken the position that it is unreasonable to suspect the Roosters of being non compliant. That's your position lol.
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Andrew Hodge
The Roosters are compliant or they're not. I don't have enough information to decide one way or the other. Suspect whatever you want, but you've already suggested others are gullible to believe anything other than that the Roosters are cheating the cap. Pretty tired of this argument though. I've said all I want to say on that topic.
Area51
Dairi Kovae
Thank you so much for the very insightful commentary.