It takes as long as it needs to. Tinkler saw fit that the time had come.
What time frame woudl you put on privatisation?
Tinkler Pulls Out - NBN News reporting
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It takes as long as it needs to. Tinkler saw fit that the time had come.
What time frame woudl you put on privatisation?
Greek Knight
Kade Snowden
So from your many sub responses, you feel that this deal is the best thing since sliced bread?
I originally was all for the Tinkler takeover. I realised I wasn't being objective and looked at the dollar signs only. After listening/reading further about the Tinkler offer, it made me take a step back and re-think my position on this matter.
You, like many others, need to be objective. I'm not taking sides, but in the essence of a true supporter of a sporting club, I want the Knights to be financially viable and if the board have decided to go another way, financially, then they have my support in any direction they take.
Actions speak louder than words and Tinkler cancelling his attendance at the conference today, just shows that he really doesn't have the Knights best interests at heart.
Its a big risk to run when you need a 75% vote. I know there will be a lot voters who will have seconds thoughts about a Tinkler Takeover after todays events, many of whom were keen to Vote Yes.
2001 team:
1. O'davis
2.Tahu
3.Gidley
4.Hughes
5.Mcdougall
6.Rudder
7.Johns
8.Perry
9.Buderus
10.Parsons
11.Simpson
12.Kennedy
13.Peden
Tahu, Gidley, Mcdougall, Johns, Perry, Buderus, Simpson, Kennedy and Hughes (NSW only)
have pretty much all played for NSW and Australia and were pretty much the best players in their position in their game. Most Teams in the NRL have around 3 state of origin players (smith, cronk, slater) (thaiday, lockyer, parker). Kurt Gidley is light years ahead of our next best player and is probably 5/6th best fullback in the game, and may/may not get a state of origin bench spot (slater, Hayne, Dugan, Boyd, Bowen, Gidley?)
And we can't afford Snowden?!?! A borderline state of origin player who is from Newcastle. I'm not saying we should have all the players we had in 2001 but a team like follows sounds reasonable:
Fullback:Gidley
Centres:LikiLiki, Idris
Wings:Mcmannus, Uate
Halves:Henry, Mullen
Back Row:Costagen, Paterson, Kafusi
Front Row:TLL, Snowden
Hooker:Isaac Luke
IMO 1. Slater 7. cronk 9. smith means we should be able to afford a team like the one mentioned above if not better. On another note, the second brissy team is getting some press with regard to Quade Cooper, who's smashing out rexona australia's greatest athlete. I would love to see a team built around:
6. Quade Cooper
7. Shaun Johnson (Warriors NYC)
9. James Roby (ESL reports he's keen to play NRL)
1. O'davis
2.Tahu
3.Gidley
4.Hughes
5.Mcdougall
6.Rudder
7.Johns
8.Perry
9.Buderus
10.Parsons
11.Simpson
12.Kennedy
13.Peden
Tahu, Gidley, Mcdougall, Johns, Perry, Buderus, Simpson, Kennedy and Hughes (NSW only)
have pretty much all played for NSW and Australia and were pretty much the best players in their position in their game. Most Teams in the NRL have around 3 state of origin players (smith, cronk, slater) (thaiday, lockyer, parker). Kurt Gidley is light years ahead of our next best player and is probably 5/6th best fullback in the game, and may/may not get a state of origin bench spot (slater, Hayne, Dugan, Boyd, Bowen, Gidley?)
And we can't afford Snowden?!?! A borderline state of origin player who is from Newcastle. I'm not saying we should have all the players we had in 2001 but a team like follows sounds reasonable:
Fullback:Gidley
Centres:LikiLiki, Idris
Wings:Mcmannus, Uate
Halves:Henry, Mullen
Back Row:Costagen, Paterson, Kafusi
Front Row:TLL, Snowden
Hooker:Isaac Luke
IMO 1. Slater 7. cronk 9. smith means we should be able to afford a team like the one mentioned above if not better. On another note, the second brissy team is getting some press with regard to Quade Cooper, who's smashing out rexona australia's greatest athlete. I would love to see a team built around:
6. Quade Cooper
7. Shaun Johnson (Warriors NYC)
9. James Roby (ESL reports he's keen to play NRL)
NathanTheRocket
Unleash the rocket in you
You just contradicted yourself, you say it takes as long as it needs to but then say Tinkler could control when the time was up. If privatisation takes its time to go through the motions why is All mighty Tinkler get the say in when time is up?. I understand it is his deal but again, you can't walk into a club and offer money expecting it to be accepted instantly.
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No deal will ever be "the best" there are always going to terms tha dont sit well with everyone.
I am being objective. Im seeing the deal how it is intended and i put my opinions about it on pages 9/10 (i think).
Well youve just taken a side there. The boards. How is being potentially at losses and gaining more debt financially better to the knights then having a gaurenteed 10mil income and no debts?
We've been in this debt for 20+ years...what makes you think that we'd fold anytime soon?
The NRL needs a team in Newcastle, we have just had a very expensive stadium upgrade and we turned a profit in 2009.
How about Tinkler wants his loan repaid and we have no way of repaying it?
If thats the case then it only takes as long as each party sees fit. So if tinkler didnt decide the time was right, the knights board would have decided, meaning privatisation takes as long as it needs to.
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Its ok, the knights will get another loan from someone else to pay nathan back, but we'll still be 500k in debt but thats ok, coz its what works for us
..... not.
NathanTheRocket
Unleash the rocket in you
"If thats the case then it only takes as long as each party sees fit. So if tinkler didnt decide the time was right, the knights board would have decided, meaning privatisation takes as long as it needs to. "
Exactly, these talks failed because Tinlker didn't want to wait for the vote, this means that Tinkler is more to blame for the fall out then the Knights board.
"Exactly, these talks failed because Tinlker didn't want to wait for the vote, this means that Tinkler is more to blame for the fall out then the Knights board.
Greek Knight
Kade Snowden
Seeing that the Knights has a board, then who else will look at other financial options?
Would you put your signature to a contract without reading the finer points? Highly unlikely !! Any right minded person would want to look at their contract, from top to bottom, before signing. The board, in this case, were the people to go from top to bottom of this offer and it seems that some things in the offer just didn't sit right. This Tinkler offer going pear shaped is just a ploy from TSG so the members go against the board.
If the public trust is all that it's cracked up to be, then the members should vote YES.
I can't believe more people don't agree with this point of view Sammyyy!!!
What do people want, coaches like Bennett at the club, or Stone re-signed before the season even starts, as Burraston is in favour of.
Players like Snowden and Idris, or clapped out old bangers like Kaufusi and Southern?
Do we want our debt all gone and able to start on a clean slate, or that 3 million, plus the money from the motorcycle debacle, plus the money Tinkler lent us ... hanging over our head.
We've made 2 finals series in the last 7 years, crowd numbers have gone constantly down in recent years, the team is gradually getting worse when looked at on a yearly spiral trend type thingee ...
This was the chance to make the Knights a force ... in fact, THE force in the NRL ... and Burraston and Tew were so incompetant that they couldn't even manage to negotiate their way to a member's vote.
Remember these are the footballing and business geniouses who sacked Brian Smith who went on to become the coach of the year the next season ... can't even be bothered to reply to people on here who makes enquiries about being out of town members (depriving the Knights of income) ... reckon Stone is an awesome coach ... and are generally happy with the absolute mediocrity the Newcastle Knights have become.
We've blown it, and we must be the laughing stock of all other teams and supporters.
we didnt even have the option to vote!
NathanTheRocket
Unleash the rocket in you
No we didn't due to Tinkler's impatience.
In Burraston's book, trying to lure the best people to the club is a big no-no.
We wouldn't want to actually finish in the top four would we?! Not when we can hover between 7th and 10th all season!!!
Well said James 
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No it was due to the board not giving us that option. There been plenty of time before todays drama for it to happen. If they hadnt of been lazy about it we could already have had a date set for the vote.
Or even let us vote on the current proposal that was put forward that they wanted to seek clarification on today.
Why must we wait until they think the deal is good and ready for us to vote? Maybe it was good and ready for 75% of members now????
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No it was due to the board not giving us that option. There been plenty of time before todays drama for it to happen. If they hadnt of been lazy about it we could already have had a date set for the vote.
Or even let us vote on the current proposal that was put forward that they wanted to seek clarification on today.
Why must we wait until they think the deal is good and ready for us to vote? Maybe it was good and ready for 75% of members now????
He wanted it repaid weeks ago. We are still here.
Also doesnt the timing of Tinkler wanting the loan repaid raise a few questions to you? IMO he is trying to bully the knights board and manipulating the members/fans.
NathanTheRocket
Unleash the rocket in you
The board set a date in March for the vote. It was the board who agree with Tinkler's deal in principle. The board did not come out and say no to the deal today, it was Tinkler who couldn't wait an extra couple of weeks.
Well said James
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No it was due to the board not giving us that option. There been plenty of time before todays drama for it to happen. If they hadnt of been lazy about it we could already have had a date set for the vote.
Or even let us vote on the current proposal that was put forward that they wanted to seek clarification on today.
Why must we wait until they think the deal is good and ready for us to vote? Maybe it was good and ready for 75% of members now????
We've been waiting months for the voting to be announced.
Instead Tew and Burraston have acted on our behalf and decided the offer wasn't good enough.
It's a shambles, even if you disagreed with the offer, you can't agree with the undemocratic way this has been handled.
Dear oh dear. Just when I thought the Knights board couldn't be any more incompetent they manage to dither over this and **** it up completely. This is the WORST possible decision for the Knights and our long-suffering supporters. I made the decision not to attend games 2 years ago after Burruston "invited" supporters to write into the Herald with their concerns and then publicly turning on them when they told him what he didn't want to hear. He's a ****ing waste of space and he and Tew are just protecting their little (soon to be smaller) empire. I will NEVER attend another home game until these FRAUDS are removed from office. To go there would simply be me validating their pathetic existence. Useless *****s. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR...