Should NZer's Be Allowed To Play Origin?

Should NZer's Be Allowed To Play Origin?

  • YES

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 16 80.0%

  • Total voters
    20
I think the idea of the winner of origin playing nz is a good one. I also think that the new zealand/australia thing should be country of origin too not choose your team.

I don't think that's a good idea, it devalues the Kiwis and reduces them to the level of a state side.

I don't mind the idea of New Zealander's who have been born and bread in Australia playing origin and then playing for New Zealand. You can't have it both ways - Australia takes players from NZ when they are 15 or so (Karmichael Hunt) and then they play for Australia because they want to play origin. So why exclude players who were born or grew up in Australia from playing origin because they want to represent New Zealand for their national side?

You're not talking many players in that boat - Nathan Cayless would be one, and Craig Smith would have been another (although he did actually play for Queensland). Seems unfair to me that those players miss out.
 
Im a Kiwi and as much as I love State of Origin I think its an Australian thing and New Zealanders should not be able to play.

Quite frankly I think the whole Kiwis playing for Aust thing is a joke. What determines a Kiwi and what determines an Australian? People picking and chosing is stupid! You should be made to play for the country in which you hold the passport of.

Yea Thats a good point, i agree 100%. I think it shouldnt be up to the players to choose. There has to be set limits etc, as to what team you play for.

I think the idea of the winner of origin playing nz is a good one. I also think that the new zealand/australia thing should be country of origin too not choose your team.


Im not too fond of that idea.

The Anzac test has also been a downer for quite some time. If NZ wont more games, i dont know, we'll just have to see how the WC goes.
 
I already gave you heaps of reasons for that in an earlier post. I can dig it up if you have forgotten.

No I remember those reasons, something to do with injuries and such.

So what happens if New Zealanders are cleared to play SoO(god forbid such a farce) and they get injuries etc whilst playing it ? then it will be on for young and old, I'm sure sure all the excuses will roll out why New Zealand players should not play SoO.
 
No I remember those reasons, something to do with injuries and such.

So what happens if New Zealanders are cleared to play SoO(god forbid such a farce) and they get injuries etc whilst playing it ? then it will be on for young and old, I'm sure sure all the excuses will roll out why New Zealand players should not play SoO.

Didn't mention injuries once! The problem is half of NZ's players are over in the UK, and they aren't released by superleague clubs, or if they are there is still not enough build up for the match for them to be competitive. If the game is going to be held at it's current time of year then the players should be stood down from football the week before and given a full fortnights build up, ie. State of Origin.
 
I've changed my mind - I reckon there should be no bar to NZ players starring in SOO. This is different to players wanting to play for Australia one minute and NZ the next then back for Australia (Tonie Carroll). The issue of playing for country would go if players from outside Australia were allowed to play Origin. It might even enhance the international game and stop it from becoming a joke. You might get some detractors saying that Australian players who don't play Origin won't get into the national side or how can a player get in the national side if not an Origin side but selection decisions should be left to the coach at the time at not the media.
 
Didn't mention injuries once!

I didn't say you did :confused: I was however asking you the question, maybe re read my post.

I'm confident this will never happen, but if it does I will stop watching.

It shouldn't be up to Australia to develop other countries national teams, we need to worry about our own team let alone New Zealand.
 
Geyer questioned whether a kid who grew up in Auckland could ever understand the concept of Origin football, an arena where average footballers, driven by state pride, turn into giant-killers.

See, this is my problem. NZ players come across as youngsters and are selected for NSW and Queensland age group sides. Benji Marshall, Sonny Bill, Karmichael Hunt, they have all done it. Once they hit senior football they are then forced to choose between country and state.

If they can't understand the passion or whatever (which is ridiculous, I understand it perfectly well), then they shouldn't be allowed to play in Australian rep teams at any point.

There does need to be a definitive rule as to which country you play for. Maybe something like country of birth, country of parents birth, or country you have lived in for the past ten years. And NO SWITCHING!!! When you sign your first NRL contract you decide, and you can't go back on it.
 
Origin legends' anger over Kiwi Sonny Bill
By James Phelps | March 22, 2008 12:00am

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Wishin' and hopin' ... Should Kiwi Sonny Bill Williams ever wear this jumper?


SONNY Bill Williams' public admission he wants to play State of Origin yesterday sparked an angry reaction from passionate former stars on both sides of the border.

Kiwi born-and-bred Williams this week made an impassioned plea for officials to consider letting him play for NSW, who he has already represented at junior level.

And yesterday he was joined by rising Eels star Krisnan Inu who, despite making his Test debut for New Zealand last year, declared he too wants to play for the Blues.

But former NSW hardman Mark Geyer led an angry backlash against the Kiwis - demanding that they find passion in their own jersey and stop dreaming of playing Origin.

"I have an issue with a Kiwi playing Origin," Geyer said.

"It cheapens the jersey if anyone can have a crack at it. If you want to play for the Kiwis, well, do it. But you can't play Origin and that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

"It's been that way since 1980 and it's not going to change. Don't fix it if it's not broke."

Geyer questioned whether a kid who grew up in Auckland could ever understand the concept of Origin football, an arena where average footballers, driven by state pride, turn into giant-killers.

"I watched my first game in 1980," Geyer said. "I was allowed to stay up late for the first time. I never even dreamed I would get to put the Blue jersey on.

"I thought 'how good is this game'. When I put that jersey on in 1989, I thought 'Yep, this is good'. It was a dream come true because you live it from a kid. I don't think a Kiwi could ever understand that. He is born with his own culture inside him and he should embrace it."

Warriors captain and Queensland prop Steve Price said the "eligibility" issue had been raging in New Zealand since former Dragons prop Craig Smith played for the Maroons after representing New Zealand.

"There is a lot of talk over here in New Zealand," Price said. "Especially around Test time when guys with Polynesian heritage like Antony Kafusi or Karmichael Hunt make themselves available for Australia.

"You are going to have to put in better rules to stop it."

But even Price said State of Origin should never be changed.

"I am very passionate about Origin," Price said. "Kiwi guys shouldn't be allowed to come and play just because they want a taste of Origin. It would just ruin it."

Speaking on Thursday night, Williams argued he should not be denied the chance to play on rugby league's biggest stage because he is a Kiwi.

"The one thing that's always burned inside of me, deep down, is not being able to play State of Origin," Williams said. "I don't see why we can't play. I played NSW under-17s and under-19s."

Williams said New Zealand rugby league was being decimated because Kiwis were pledging their allegiance to Australia simply because they didn't want to be ruled out of State of Origin. That claim was backed by Inu, who said he had thought about turning his back on New Zealand.

"I would love to play for NSW," Inu said. "It was a very tough decision when I picked New Zealand knowing I would miss out."

Former New Zealand selector Daryl Halligan said rugby league was the loser when some of the best players were ruled out of Origin.

"I would like to see the New Zealand players in," Halligan said. "Would it diminish Origin? It would add to it in a way. The old fan might not look at it that way but the new fan would."

Source: DT
 
Not for the first time, Geyer's talking out of his arse. He says that Kiwis should stick to their own jumper. State and national teams aren't the same thing. I don't see the rivalry between NSW and Qld as hatred either so it's not that emotional.

It's hardly the Old Firm in Glasgow is it?
 
Not for the first time, Geyer's talking out of his arse. He says that Kiwis should stick to their own jumper. State and national teams aren't the same thing. I don't see the rivalry between NSW and Qld as hatred either so it's not that emotional.

It's hardly the Old Firm in Glasgow is it?

You wouldn't understand, think of it like Hull FC v Hull KR x100.

James I think you need to read the rest of my post.
 
IVE GOT THE SOLUTION!

NZ's have their own origin, the top island and the bottom island play against each other :D :D
 
You mean the North Island and South Island? :confused::mad::D

I dont think there is enough South Islanders who play league. Its pretty much limited to Auckland and Wellington areas.
 
The idea of Auckland origin vs the rest of NZ origin always seems to be bandied about, but it never seems to happen. I don't see the point in it, really.
 
Interesting because Hazem El Mesri played the blues in game 3 last year & Hazem is Lebanese how did that work then?

Im guessing hes been there forever, considers himself a citizen and holds an Aussie passport?

I reckon if someone born in NZ passes all that criteria and declares themself an Australian and DOESNT play for New Zealand at international level then thats fine.

In other words Hunt = Yes, Sonny Bill Williams = NO!
 
I reckon if someone born in NZ passes all that criteria and declares themself an Australian and DOESNT play for New Zealand at international level then thats fine.

In other words Hunt = Yes, Sonny Bill Williams = NO!

But then all the players declare themselves Australians just to play origin. Like Hunt and Carroll. And NZ end up losing some of their best players, and international football suffers.

We've had Adrian Lam, Hazem El Masri and Craig Smith playing origin, that didn't do any harm. Players like Mat Rogers and Cameron Smith who were born in NSW playing for Queensland. Tonie Carroll played for NZ then played for Queensland.

It's basically already happened a lot of times ... if they play age-group rep football in Aus then they should be eligible for origin.
 
They need to stop all of that then.

I think its a joke someone playing State of Origin and then for New Zealand.
 
I'm for it. The way I see Origin and how it should be played.

If your playing for a NSW Based Club, SORRY your stuck with NSW. Same with QLD.

If your playing for Melbourne, you need to go with the place you were born.

If your a Kiwi, why not?

SBW in Blue, I wanna see it.
 
Actually on second thought I wouldn't mind kiwis playing origin, then we could see a haka between the two teams aswell!

We've had Adrian Lam, Hazem El Masri and Craig Smith playing origin, that didn't do any harm. Players like Mat Rogers and Cameron Smith who were born in NSW playing for Queensland. Tonie Carroll played for NZ then played for Queensland.

Under State of Origin rules players are selected for the state in which they first played senior (or registered) rugby league.
 
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