Rebuild The Knights
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Matty James
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Annoyingly, this Brian McGuigan seems to have no idea. Too repetitive and crapped on a lot.
Give Jason a crack, the guy speaks what we're thinking.
Give Jason a crack, the guy speaks what we're thinking.
Kenny Powers
Banned
#givejasonacrack
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
McGuigan is basically a retired former businessman who is only really an adviser, but as a businessman he is the opposite of Nathan Tinkler. He is possibly the guy who has done the most for the Hunter ever. He took the Hunter wine industry from a few guys at Cessnock who made plonk for winos to being a world rated food and wine destination, and that led to all the golf courses, resorts, restaurants etc. He also served for years on Hunter tourist boards and the iconic wine companies he started and built up are worth god knows how much now.
Replacing him with a guy who sounds good for 10 minutes on the radio is like suggesting we replace the head of surgery at John Hunter Hospital with Spot the Wonder Dog.
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Well judge him by Wyndam estates - one of the world's great wine companies - admittedly he built that and then lost it to corporate raiders, only walking away with a truckload of money - and then he built McGuigan's wine, which is the third largest wine company in Australia
The guy started with nothing and built an entire industry over his lifetime. Before him, wine was something alcoholics drank because it was the cheapest option.
Defender1
Matthew Johns
The boards job is to look after the administration and make sure structures are in place for the club to be financially viable and efficient in its operations. In doing so, they need to provide the appropriate support and resources to maximise success on the field. That's no over night fix after the shambles that was left by Tinklers mates... I agree with Jason; they need to be accountable for that, but it's way to early to judge them just yet...
As far as performances on the paddock go, if the coaching staff and players are being provided that support etc, we need to fix that culture quick, cause at the moment half of them don't deserve to be professional footy players!!!
As far as performances on the paddock go, if the coaching staff and players are being provided that support etc, we need to fix that culture quick, cause at the moment half of them don't deserve to be professional footy players!!!
Kenny Powers
Banned
What people fail to understand is that having fortune in business doesn't mean that you are the most savvy businessman getting around. McGuigan sold wine, and apparently did well enough to show that he was more than a fool in the right place at the time, taking advantage of a good product and minimal competition. But I know plenty of blokes who have made millions from targeting a niche market, and targeting it with persistence and focus. Anyone looking from the outside in could be forgiven for thinking they are fiscal geniuses, but in truth, they had an eye for a particular game and were fortune enough to be positioned to take their opportunity - not something that most people will have happen to them
In listening to McGuigan he strikes me as exactly that type of businessman. Definitely not a fool. Definitely not without experience. And definitely not without useful contribution to whatever he's involved in. But it was pretty obvious to me that he's out of his depth in trying to overcome what is a 'football problem'. And this was highlighted by the contrast between him and Jason. Jason knew his stuff and knew it well, where as McGuigan left most people feeling unassured.
Point being, McGuigan is obviously a successful businessman, but I know for a fact that this doesn't qualify him as the right man for the Knights, and after hearing some no name bloke named Jason school him on 'the Knights', I now feel pretty confident that he isn't the right man for the job
In listening to McGuigan he strikes me as exactly that type of businessman. Definitely not a fool. Definitely not without experience. And definitely not without useful contribution to whatever he's involved in. But it was pretty obvious to me that he's out of his depth in trying to overcome what is a 'football problem'. And this was highlighted by the contrast between him and Jason. Jason knew his stuff and knew it well, where as McGuigan left most people feeling unassured.
Point being, McGuigan is obviously a successful businessman, but I know for a fact that this doesn't qualify him as the right man for the Knights, and after hearing some no name bloke named Jason school him on 'the Knights', I now feel pretty confident that he isn't the right man for the job
Let's just say what we're all thinking, he sounded drunk. 
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Tinkler was a guy in the right place at the right time, and with the right gambelling spirit to have a 100 to 1 shot come off.
McGuigan made huge money by hard work and intelligence over a lifetime.
If he isn't a qualified businessman, no one is.
We are not asking him to coach the team, just balance the books and wine and dine the sponsers really, and I think he'd know how to do that.
Kenny Powers
Banned
If wine and dine the sponsor's is his job then I have no doubt he's the man. But why then does he find himself defending footballing practices on a radio show?
I'm just totally skeptical that things are running well in there. And I equally skeptical that we've got the right people for the right roles. I mean, look no further than the head coach ffs (and lol)
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I should add that 'qualified businessman', I'll have you know is a BS phrase.
Qualified for what exactly? What business? The one thing that all good businessmen have in common is that they can all schmooze people. And that's all business is really, relationships. Some of the best businessman don't really bother themselves with details, all they focus on is networking and relationships. So when we agree that McGuigan is a good businessman we may not be agreeing to the same idea of what it means to be qualified
Trust me Billy, McGuigan may not be as broadly savvy and skilful as you expect. Most 'great' businessmen aren't
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Well he was on there to talk about rebuilding the club, and the presenter should have known his part of that is about organising the business.
He talked a bit about taking the players and their wives out to dinner in small groups, with Gidley, to talk about the club culture, and i'm sure his role in that would have been to assure them that the finances were being looked after.
How and why he ended up having to talk about football matters, I don't know. I can't imagine why anyone would think he is a coach or something.
I think you're forgetting that the board are also responsible for making decisions re the football department. No they don't choose the team each week or decide on tactics but they are supposed to be responsible for making decisions re selecting blokes in those positions that are capable of handing those roles which it seems Hagan, Stone, Sandercock, Bedsy, etc aren't.
I fully understand that the appointment of Midley, Hagan, Stone etc came mostly from the NRL as the board wasn't elected at that stage however in any club a board member is delusional if they don't think they'll be questioned on football related matters. They're the top of the entire organisation and are responsible for making the big decisions. The NRL made a big deal about appointing them for a reason. The rebuilding of the clubs needs to come from the top so obviously fans are going to be questioning the board.
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
No, it doesn't. However hiring people on the basis of their qualifications/knowledge rather than them being from Newcastle (which seems to be the main selection criteria for a job at the Knights) would be a good start.
Matty James
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I don't think you understood the sarcasm intended in my post.
However I still think McGuigan has no idea.
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I think you make the very common mistake these days of mistaking cynicism for sarcasm.
This might help
Sarcasm = a very clever form of wit
Cynicism = being a douche
Matty James
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
And I think you need to take a chill pill and go order yourself a happy meal or something.
Matty isn't a douche. 
Billy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
He certainly isn't funny.Matty isn't a douche.