Pre-season 2025

jamesgould said:
Not how NRL contracts work I’m afraid.
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Then things have to change, contracts need clauses that include performance or lack off, DSaf isn’t only footballer to run down on performance on a contract that was signed while he was permforming.
Players reach top form for x amount of years, generally mid to late 20’s then decline, age, fitness, injuries, attitude etc, some adjust by playing smarter, players in long term highly paid contracts are likely to accept the payment without the desire to perform. All contracts should have clauses that encourage performance to increase or extend contract. Contracts should pay less with bonuses depending on performance and team season ending position.
I only have the suggestions not the answers
 
I reckon once the season is over someone will pay up for Dsaf. Also think a few of the comments are a bit harsh, been disappointing sure but 180 games for us feel like he can go to an Old Boys day. Last year after a few rounds when we had all of our forwards out, he put in a mighty shift when he was clearly busted. I don’t think he ever really recovered from that shoulder injury he was carrying.
 
waynesworld said:
I reckon once the season is over someone will pay up for Dsaf. Also think a few of the comments are a bit harsh, been disappointing sure but 180 games for us feel like he can go to an Old Boys day. Last year after a few rounds when we had all of our forwards out, he put in a mighty shift when he was clearly busted. I don’t think he ever really recovered from that shoulder injury he was carrying.
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Or the hip drop which broke his ankle (and went unpunished)
 
Frank McWilliams said:
Then things have to change, contracts need clauses that include performance or lack off, DSaf isn’t only footballer to run down on performance on a contract that was signed while he was permforming.
Players reach top form for x amount of years, generally mid to late 20’s then decline, age, fitness, injuries, attitude etc, some adjust by playing smarter, players in long term highly paid contracts are likely to accept the payment without the desire to perform. All contracts should have clauses that encourage performance to increase or extend contract. Contracts should pay less with bonuses depending on performance and team season ending position.
I only have the suggestions not the answers
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Nobody forced the Knights to offer D-Saf the contract we did. Club needs to be run better. Many other clubs are.

Player’s Association would never agree to the changes you mention. And it goes against worker’s rights too.
 
Macca182 said:
Unless you work for the government
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You think government workers don’t have to perform in their job? Weird. In my experience it’s super high pressure and everything you do is scrutinised by both your managers and the public through information requests. I’ve never seen anyone who’s useless at their job stay around for long.

Oh and you’re also constantly told how crap you are by the government and the media. Meanwhile you’re working 60 hour weeks plus because so much funding has been cut you’re doing the work of several people … because you want to make a positive contribution to the country. And you get paid below market rates compared to private companies. With constant restructures and redundancy rounds giving you virtually zero job security. Fun! 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
jamesgould said:
You think government workers don’t have to perform in their job? Weird. In my experience it’s super high pressure and everything you do is scrutinised by both your managers and the public through information requests. I’ve never seen anyone who’s useless at their job stay around for long.

Oh and you’re also constantly told how crap you are by the government and the media. Meanwhile you’re working 60 hour weeks plus because so much funding has been cut you’re doing the work of several people … because you want to make a positive contribution to the country. And you get paid below market rates compared to private companies. With constant restructures and redundancy rounds giving you virtually zero job security. Fun! 🤷🏻‍♂️
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I won’t say who I work for but I work for the government. Half the employees bludge their way through the day and the kpis they have to meet aren’t that high. It’s all about looking good on paper.
 
danknights said:
Dsaf has been a shadow. It's should be like any other workplace. You don't meet your KPIs you either take a paycut or you resign or you perform. Simple.
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To be fair, if you want to go through the fantasy exercise of making the NRL just like any other workplace - you can't only change the thing you don't like.

If players don't get to sign long-term guaranteed contracts, but instead 'regular' employment contracts, they'd also be free to leave for another employer whenever they want to. No such thing as locking down KP long-term - he could quit to join the Dolphins for the weekend's game if he wanted.

Not to mention the 'real world' doesn't have a salary cap...
 
jamesgould said:
You think government workers don’t have to perform in their job? Weird. In my experience it’s super high pressure and everything you do is scrutinised by both your managers and the public through information requests. I’ve never seen anyone who’s useless at their job stay around for long.

Oh and you’re also constantly told how crap you are by the government and the media. Meanwhile you’re working 60 hour weeks plus because so much funding has been cut you’re doing the work of several people … because you want to make a positive contribution to the country. And you get paid below market rates compared to private companies. With constant restructures and redundancy rounds giving you virtually zero job security. Fun! 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Make sure you look after yourself @jamesgould and remember it’s just a job and one day you will retire or be made redundant.

You do well to hold down a very busy job and run this place.

I used to work in the public service as well. I had known long term physical health issues, which my manger’s manager ignored as he ruined my ability to work by making my work way too hard. As a result I was forced to retire early and received a redundancy.

From many years working in the public service, I know some public servants don’t work as hard as they should but there are plenty of very hard working public servants.
 
Yeah I work in the public service and it’s really not that different from private sector office jobs I had before that. Some people make a limited contribution and you really wouldn’t notice if they left, some people pull way more than their own weight. It’s not necessarily people in the latter category who are rewarded with promotion either, networking is key and there is some frustrating office politics involved (for other people, I’m not very ambitious in terms of pursuing management jobs etc, but I’ve been frustrated on behalf of some colleagues who’ve been passed over in favour of others of whom I have a very low opinion - basically, people who are good at getting way more notice and credit than they really deserve).

I get paid a bit less than my specialised knowledge might earn me in the private sector, in exchange for better conditions, but I honestly don’t think I worked harder or got a lot more done in the private sector. I just had to be in the office more.
 
Of course I mean to an extent. Like professional athletes can have freak accidents. Decline in performance for several reasons. I think a max contract of 2-3 years should be something enforced. Who knows what bodies or brains go through over that time period. It's allow for teams to be a bit more competitive too.

Limit TPA to encourage younger players to stick around. I'm sure not everyone will be happy about it but blanket rule for every club.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Yeah I work in the public service and it’s really not that different from private sector office jobs I had before that. Some people make a limited contribution and you really wouldn’t notice if they left, some people pull way more than their own weight. It’s not necessarily people in the latter category who are rewarded with promotion either, networking is key and there is some frustrating office politics involved (for other people, I’m not very ambitious in terms of pursuing management jobs etc, but I’ve been frustrated on behalf of some colleagues who’ve been passed over in favour of others of whom I have a very low opinion - basically, people who are good at getting way more notice and credit than they really deserve).

I get paid a bit less than my specialised knowledge might earn me in the private sector, in exchange for better conditions, but I honestly don’t think I worked harder or got a lot more done in the private sector. I just had to be in the office more.
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Very true about the networking. Not a strength of mine … I finally got a new opportunity last year when I returned from holiday, couldn’t face my workload anymore and found another similar job elsewhere within a few days. Then suddenly they moved heaven and earth to keep me and I got a promotion! So I stayed in the end, but it’s a bit frustrating that’s what it took.
 
KPP has been named in England's initial 31-man squad for their series with Samoa.

On balance I'd say he makes the squad but also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get a game.
 
jamesgould said:
Very true about the networking. Not a strength of mine … I finally got a new opportunity last year when I returned from holiday, couldn’t face my workload anymore and found another similar job elsewhere within a few days. Then suddenly they moved heaven and earth to keep me and I got a promotion! So I stayed in the end, but it’s a bit frustrating that’s what it took.
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Haha yeah, the one thing I’m kind of a bit bitter about was that there was one year where a lady in my team got like a special award from the Director-General (with a pretty snazzy gift if I do say so, a free dinner for two at one of the nicest restaurants in Canberra) for “special” contributions to the agency and then soon after that she got a huge promotion. She was on every committee, the agency rep at every trade fair, always getting her name and face in all agency emails, always putting herself in the room with the execs, etc etc.

Fine, good for her. But I and another lady in our team had taken on this lady’s entire workload for her because she was never around to do her actual job. 😆 I distinctly remember catching the eye of said other lady in our team when the award was announced and she looked as bemused as I had ever seen someone look. The really bad thing was, the job we were doing at the time was coaching new employees in the agency how to do our job - not exactly something where you should be shirking your work. We both took on an extra trainee each from this lady and both trainees just had no idea at all how to do their jobs, she’d taught them nothing. 😆

I do think there’s some truth in the stereotype about the public service, in Australia at least, that incompetent people get promoted and competent people are held back from advancement…
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
I do think there’s some truth in the stereotype about the public service, in Australia at least, that incompetent people get promoted and competent people are held back from advancement…
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I worked for 2 different government departments. At the first one people were promoted on merit and at the second one people were promoted if they were part of the ruling chique.
 
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