PNG set to become 18th NRL team

The problem is payment of a licence fee but the Dolphins did not have to pay one because they had significant cash reserves.

It’s inconsistent to me that one expansion team does not have to pay the licence fee and the next one does.

Strange that the bid seemingly imploded at the last minute. Something does not seem right to me

 
The problem is payment of a licence fee but the Dolphins did not have to pay one because they had significant cash reserves.

It’s inconsistent to me that one expansion team does not have to pay the licence fee and the next one does.

Strange that the bid seemingly imploded at the last minute. Something does not seem right to me

I think V'Landys realised he can get the state govt to throw in a huge wad of cash.
 
PVL is just playing games like he does with the NRL grand final whenever that contract ends. Recently saying it could go to Melbourne.

Wouldn't pay too much attention to anything in the media until the deal is done.
 
That ground of their's looks a lot better than it did a few years ago, but they still have the climate issues that will make it the hardest away game in League.
Every day it has massive winds blowing straight down the ground, heat and humidity that would kill a brown dog, and in summer they have tropical showers that often come in half way through a game and make it unplayable for 20 minutes.
 
That ground of their's looks a lot better than it did a few years ago, but they still have the climate issues that will make it the hardest away game in League.
Every day it has massive winds blowing straight down the ground, heat and humidity that would kill a brown dog, and in summer they have tropical showers that often come in half way through a game and make it unplayable for 20 minutes.
So, yet another reason no player would ever go to play for them, unless they’re being paid an absurd amount of money.
 
Peter V’Landys and Andrew Abdo definitely didn’t make a good professional impression when visiting NZ for the Kiwis Kangaroos test:

Sports Insider: The NRL is not serious about a second NZ team and should just admit it

A shambolic week including a visit to Christchurch has revealed that Australia’s National Rugby League (NRL) is not serious about admitting a second Kiwi franchise to Australia’s club competition.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys and his CEO Andrew Abdo have played a curious game around their intentions to create a 20-team competition by 2030.

But in the past week it has descended into farce as it has become plainly clear the expansion process till now has been little more than a fishing expedition

Last Friday, V’landys and Abdo dropped a bombshell by revealing they had rejected 11 bids for expansion franchise licences, including three from Christchurch, one from Perth, one from Papua New Guinea and six from southeast Queensland.

The primary reason given to the failed bidders was that they would need to cough up a licence of almost $60 million each for the privilege of entering the competition. V’landys warned contenders they needed to “up their game” or risk ongoing snubbing.

Much of any licence fee revenue will go to the existing 17 NRL clubs, including the Warriors, who are demanding A$2m ($2.2m) to A$3m each in return for agreeing to further expansion.

But here’s the rub – V’landys and Abdo seemingly don’t want private owners of any of the new clubs.

So if Christchurch wants to secure a NRL licence, the clear preference is for that funding to come primarily from the public purse rather than private equity players, investment funds or wealthy individuals (think Mark Robinson and the Warriors).

In New Zealand, that means money being stumped up by central and local government.

And that’s why, dear readers, a second New Zealand franchise, no matter where it’s based, is cold, stone dead in the water.

The winners? An inconsistently performing Warriors franchise and a floundering New Zealand Rugby.

The losers? Overwhelmingly, the NRL – who have rugby on its knees in this country but can’t see it because they’re blinded by the bright lights of Las Vegas and the seduction of American gambling dollars.

But also Kiwi sports fans robbed of the tasty prospect of a Wellington Phoenix-Auckland FC rivalry within league and another home for New Zealand-born players.

Who would have thought it ... the A-League outperforming the NRL on getting it right in New Zealand?

‘Strange’ behaviour, ‘cynical’ playbook

The rejection bombshell dropped by the NRL was followed by some strange behaviour from V’landys and Abdo when they visited the Garden City the following weekend for the sold-out Australia-New Zealand double-header on Sunday.

Back to that in a moment.

The day before landing, V’landys and Abdo were at pains to tell Australian media that expansion of what they claim is the most-watched TV sport in the country was still alive and on track.

The NRL would continue to work with the Australian Government on conditions for A$600m of promised funding for a team from Papua New Guinea to take the competition to 18 clubs in 2027 (nobody in the game thinks the PNG plan is a good idea).

Perth would be next the following season but only, V’landys intoned, if the Western Australia State Premier and league lover Roger Cook played ball on funding (the NRL had the previous week fired a shot across the state’s bows by rejecting the Perth Bears bid).

V’landys even suggested the NRL might initially co-own the Perth licence and sell it on in the future. Beyond the ongoing Olympic class backflips, does anybody notice a pattern here?

Central or local government pays and the NRL has outsized control of new franchises, possibly right down to appointing boards, CEOs and coaches.

It works across the Tasman due to the size of their market and funding of its states. The Australians seem to believe New Zealand will fall into line with this strategy in our desperation to secure the 20th and final licence.

But that’s not going to wash here. Imagine telling the Christchurch council and central government that their $700m odd investment in the new roofed Te Kaha Stadium now needs to be topped up by contributions to NRL licence fees.

It’ll never happen. It’s a shame because at least one of the South Island bids has serious investment backing from a fund already extremely active in global sport. But they are currently locked out (presumably because they might want a say in how things are run).

It’s a greater shame that V’landys is likely to simply shrug his shoulders and move on by awarding the 20th licence to one of a clutch of desperate bids from the southeastern corridor of Queensland, such as the Ipswich and Brisbane Easts clubs.

Like the latest (and successful) licence winners, the Redcliffe Dolphins from Brisbane, both Ipswich and Easts are asset-rich in property and leagues clubs and are likely to agree to the NRL’s extortionate terms.

But he and Abdo might also find the Kiwi sports audience collectively shrugs its shoulders and moves on as well – particularly if the Warriors miss the playoffs more often than they make it.

After all, it’s not like we’re starved of sporting success right now.

However, the attitude remains an insult to the New Zealand league fraternity at a time when 45% of existing NRL men’s and women’s squads identify as being either of New Zealand or Pasifika origin.

Christchurch capers reveal poor attitude

The seemingly disengaged and diffident demeanour shown by V’landys and Abdo on a fleeting visit to Christchurch last weekend reflected that attitude.

Perhaps we can start with the failure to even reply to an invitation to meet from Christchurch Mayor Phil Mauger, who has enthusiastically endorsed expansion bids from the Garden City.

And maybe we can add turning up halfway through the women’s test between the Jillaroos and the Kiwi Ferns and then failing to engage in any meaningful way with guests at the game, including former Kiwis coach Frank Endacott and ex-NRL CEO David Moffett.

Endacott and Moffett are involved in separate bids from Christchurch and, given their service to the game and expansion work to date, could have reasonably been expected to gain some sort of audience with the pair.

It didn’t happen over the two days V’landys and Abdo were in town, although Moffett remains undeterred.

Nor did they bother to inspect Te Kaha, which would be the home of any South Island team.

The duo apparently walked around the outside of it on Monday but that was it. Offers of a tour inside, or to inspect Christchurch’s other high performance facilities were not taken up.

 
Peter V’Landys and Andrew Abdo definitely didn’t make a good professional impression when visiting NZ for the Kiwis Kangaroos test:

Sports Insider: The NRL is not serious about a second NZ team and should just admit it

A shambolic week including a visit to Christchurch has revealed that Australia’s National Rugby League (NRL) is not serious about admitting a second Kiwi franchise to Australia’s club competition.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys and his CEO Andrew Abdo have played a curious game around their intentions to create a 20-team competition by 2030.

But in the past week it has descended into farce as it has become plainly clear the expansion process till now has been little more than a fishing expedition

Last Friday, V’landys and Abdo dropped a bombshell by revealing they had rejected 11 bids for expansion franchise licences, including three from Christchurch, one from Perth, one from Papua New Guinea and six from southeast Queensland.

The primary reason given to the failed bidders was that they would need to cough up a licence of almost $60 million each for the privilege of entering the competition. V’landys warned contenders they needed to “up their game” or risk ongoing snubbing.

Much of any licence fee revenue will go to the existing 17 NRL clubs, including the Warriors, who are demanding A$2m ($2.2m) to A$3m each in return for agreeing to further expansion.

But here’s the rub – V’landys and Abdo seemingly don’t want private owners of any of the new clubs.

So if Christchurch wants to secure a NRL licence, the clear preference is for that funding to come primarily from the public purse rather than private equity players, investment funds or wealthy individuals (think Mark Robinson and the Warriors).

In New Zealand, that means money being stumped up by central and local government.

And that’s why, dear readers, a second New Zealand franchise, no matter where it’s based, is cold, stone dead in the water.

The winners? An inconsistently performing Warriors franchise and a floundering New Zealand Rugby.

The losers? Overwhelmingly, the NRL – who have rugby on its knees in this country but can’t see it because they’re blinded by the bright lights of Las Vegas and the seduction of American gambling dollars.

But also Kiwi sports fans robbed of the tasty prospect of a Wellington Phoenix-Auckland FC rivalry within league and another home for New Zealand-born players.

Who would have thought it ... the A-League outperforming the NRL on getting it right in New Zealand?

‘Strange’ behaviour, ‘cynical’ playbook

The rejection bombshell dropped by the NRL was followed by some strange behaviour from V’landys and Abdo when they visited the Garden City the following weekend for the sold-out Australia-New Zealand double-header on Sunday.

Back to that in a moment.

The day before landing, V’landys and Abdo were at pains to tell Australian media that expansion of what they claim is the most-watched TV sport in the country was still alive and on track.

The NRL would continue to work with the Australian Government on conditions for A$600m of promised funding for a team from Papua New Guinea to take the competition to 18 clubs in 2027 (nobody in the game thinks the PNG plan is a good idea).

Perth would be next the following season but only, V’landys intoned, if the Western Australia State Premier and league lover Roger Cook played ball on funding (the NRL had the previous week fired a shot across the state’s bows by rejecting the Perth Bears bid).

V’landys even suggested the NRL might initially co-own the Perth licence and sell it on in the future. Beyond the ongoing Olympic class backflips, does anybody notice a pattern here?

Central or local government pays and the NRL has outsized control of new franchises, possibly right down to appointing boards, CEOs and coaches.

It works across the Tasman due to the size of their market and funding of its states. The Australians seem to believe New Zealand will fall into line with this strategy in our desperation to secure the 20th and final licence.

But that’s not going to wash here. Imagine telling the Christchurch council and central government that their $700m odd investment in the new roofed Te Kaha Stadium now needs to be topped up by contributions to NRL licence fees.

It’ll never happen. It’s a shame because at least one of the South Island bids has serious investment backing from a fund already extremely active in global sport. But they are currently locked out (presumably because they might want a say in how things are run).

It’s a greater shame that V’landys is likely to simply shrug his shoulders and move on by awarding the 20th licence to one of a clutch of desperate bids from the southeastern corridor of Queensland, such as the Ipswich and Brisbane Easts clubs.

Like the latest (and successful) licence winners, the Redcliffe Dolphins from Brisbane, both Ipswich and Easts are asset-rich in property and leagues clubs and are likely to agree to the NRL’s extortionate terms.

But he and Abdo might also find the Kiwi sports audience collectively shrugs its shoulders and moves on as well – particularly if the Warriors miss the playoffs more often than they make it.

After all, it’s not like we’re starved of sporting success right now.

However, the attitude remains an insult to the New Zealand league fraternity at a time when 45% of existing NRL men’s and women’s squads identify as being either of New Zealand or Pasifika origin.

Christchurch capers reveal poor attitude

The seemingly disengaged and diffident demeanour shown by V’landys and Abdo on a fleeting visit to Christchurch last weekend reflected that attitude.

Perhaps we can start with the failure to even reply to an invitation to meet from Christchurch Mayor Phil Mauger, who has enthusiastically endorsed expansion bids from the Garden City.

And maybe we can add turning up halfway through the women’s test between the Jillaroos and the Kiwi Ferns and then failing to engage in any meaningful way with guests at the game, including former Kiwis coach Frank Endacott and ex-NRL CEO David Moffett.

Endacott and Moffett are involved in separate bids from Christchurch and, given their service to the game and expansion work to date, could have reasonably been expected to gain some sort of audience with the pair.

It didn’t happen over the two days V’landys and Abdo were in town, although Moffett remains undeterred.

Nor did they bother to inspect Te Kaha, which would be the home of any South Island team.

The duo apparently walked around the outside of it on Monday but that was it. Offers of a tour inside, or to inspect Christchurch’s other high performance facilities were not taken up.

That is the typical arrogance and disdain that V’landys and Abdo display to anyone who won’t buy into their tyrannical schemes and if they do, heaven forbid if they want a say.
I say let them walk away. I don’t believe there is the spread of quality talent to make a 20 team competition viable. It can only make the stronger clubs stronger and the weaker clubs weaker. And before everyone jumps on this idea, promotion and relegation would be a nosedive to oblivion for the sport. Can you imagine teams who had paid the extortionate $60m licence fee and without a say, watch their team(s) be demoted to a local league status?
What a typical NRL disaster, but fortunately not surprising.
PNG will be the last team in the comp because it has been staked up by a $600m licence fee from our government. And ask how many current NRL standard players who will go there to live and play.
What a joke!
 
I know people who loved living and working in PNG.
You have to live in a gated community with security guards, but the people I know worked in healthcare positions for Australian wages and could easily afford 3 or 4 servants to do all their cooking, washing, cleaning etc.
An NRL player could live like a king in PNG.
 
I don’t believe there is the spread of quality talent to make a 20 team competition viable. It can only make the stronger clubs stronger and the weaker clubs weaker.
Agree with most of what you say, but there's hundreds of thousands of rugby union players in NZ, and the stats show that they are starting to switch to rugby league at school level in big numbers. And with NZ already providing so many players to the NRL ... there's a hugely untapped talent base over here if the NRL was capable of seeing it.
 
Agree with most of what you say, but there's hundreds of thousands of rugby union players in NZ, and the stats show that they are starting to switch to rugby league at school level in big numbers. And with NZ already providing so many players to the NRL ... there's a hugely untapped talent base over here if the NRL was capable of seeing it.
The NRL are arrogant fools, they are making a huge mistake.
 
I know people who loved living and working in PNG.
You have to live in a gated community with security guards, but the people I know worked in healthcare positions for Australian wages and could easily afford 3 or 4 servants to do all their cooking, washing, cleaning etc.
An NRL player could live like a king in PNG.
My uncle is a geologist and has spent quite a bit of time living in PNG. Some of the stories he has told me are pretty scary. Not to say your gated communities aren't possibly ok though.
 
Well it is a country that is still full tribal, no wonder you can't just walk around thinking roses smell and the air is mountain clean.
 
I was watching some guy on SEN radio discuss NZ having a second team, he said the Warriors had success on the field last year, and good crowds this year, there shouldn't be a second team in NZ until they have both at once and are a constant threat in the NRL.

I mean ... Christchurch is further from Auckland than Sydney is from Brisbane, should we have not expanded to the Dolphins team because the Tigers are rubbish?! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Here it is, dunno who the other guy with Joel Caine is, anyone?
 
The Wahs are notable underachievers, saying there shouldn’t be another NZ team because the Wahs haven’t won anything is so silly. As you say James, some clubs are just not that well run.

If the right people get a license in Christchurch they could be on the right track very quickly.
 
I was watching some guy on SEN radio discuss NZ having a second team, he said the Warriors had success on the field last year, and good crowds this year, there shouldn't be a second team in NZ until they have both at once and are a constant threat in the NRL.

I mean ... Christchurch is further from Auckland than Sydney is from Brisbane, should we have not expanded to the Dolphins team because the Tigers are rubbish?! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Here it is, dunno who the other guy with Joel Caine is, anyone?
The other guy is James Magnussen, who is a diehard Bulldogs fan and former Australian swimmer.
 
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