Kalyn Ponga discussion

To be fair to Hodgson, he has 3 try assists and 1 Line break in his 3 games this year - zero in his 5 games before that - so his record is looking better.
He has always been the king of tackle breaks with 10 in 3 games so far this year and from memory he averaged about 5 a game in his first year.
 
MontyBrogan said:
Certainly not arguing - especially with tries (which is a very random and high variance number), but Hodgson hasn't produced big numbers on tries, try assists, line breaks, or line break assists from what I've read here.

Do you have data that says workrate stats are the best indicator of FG potential, or is that just the case in your experience?
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Well the best indicator of all of first grade potential is when a guy bypasses Cup altogether or barely plays any, because they’re too talented from a young age. 😂 Don’t think there’s any Cup data on Latrell Mitchell.

This is something I’m regurgitating from a friend who works in league analytics so no I don’t have the data in front of me, but the summary is that a kid who’ll put his hand up for over 20 carries a game, makes really good metres per carry, breaks tackles consistently and (and this is something you can only tell by watching games) hustles to be where they’re meant to be in defence, especially on kicks if they’re a winger or fullback… you can be quite confident they’re going to do that when they make the step up.

Whereas what if a kid scores or sets up tries for fun against Cup defences, but won’t put their hand up for anything which seems like hard work (or just isn’t physically robust enough to be good at that stuff)… and then when they step up to first grade the stuff they can do in attack just doesn’t work against a better class of defender? That’s a problem.

Basically: Dylan Edwards can get better at playing in shape, at anticipating when to push up, etc, with experience and practice, but Matt Dufty will never be as strong and robust as Edwards.


There’s always guess work involved in this stuff - you never would have guessed Kiraz would become a strong first grade yardage worker on his Cup form, Papenhyuzen I would have bet against being an elite fullback if I saw him as a junior - but yeah Armstrong from what I’ve seen of him physically will only be a success as a first grader if he’s one of the best attacking fullbacks in the comp. That’s a much bigger “if” than “if Bailey’s work rate and physical strength doesn’t magically disappear overnight”.
 
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If Ponga does come back, do you think he will come off the bench? Just start him slow or even put as the 18th man
 
Mclovin said:
If Ponga does come back, do you think he will come off the bench? Just start him slow or even put as the 18th man
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Who knows where they will put him at this stage but it will be in the 13 somewhere if he does come back, they are not going to name a guy on 1 mill plus a year as 18th man lol
 
So much for the "he's fine and will be back for the Raiders game" theory.

You don't take 7 months off and then last only one game before your next concussion without serious questions being asked about the future.
 
The club statement:

Club Statement: Kalyn Ponga update​

The nib Newcastle Knights, in conjunction with independent concussion consultant, Conjoint Professor of Neurology at the University of Newcastle, and HMRI Researcher Professor Chris Levi, are continuing to explore all options to support Kalyn Ponga’s recovery from concussion.

This work includes consulting with global organisations to ensure every step is taken to safeguard player health and wellbeing.

After lengthy discussion and extensive research, Kalyn and Newcastle Knights Chief Medical Officer Dr Jin Lee are travelling to Vancouver, Canada to undertake further assessments.

Kalyn will undergo testing using a device that measures neurophysiological markers, which in turn will assist clinical decision making around recovery following concussion and provide further objective information to guide our clinicians.

The assessment will involve technology that is approved for use in Northern America however not yet available in Australia.

nib Newcastle Knights Director of Football Peter Parr spoke about the factors behind the decision.

“Management of concussion is a complex issue for everyone involved, we see this an opportunity to gather additional information to assist Kalyn in his recovery,” Parr said.

“Our broader aim, under the guidance of Professor Levi, is to develop a model of care that will advance our capacity in supporting players with concussion.

“Kalyn remains in good spirits and wishes to thank everyone who has enquired about his health.”

The travel party departed Australia on Friday March 24 and will return once testing is completed.

We will keep the public informed of any outcomes we are permitted to share, whilst maintaining patient confidentiality and respecting Kalyn’s privacy throughout the process.
 
jamesgould said:
The club statement:

Club Statement: Kalyn Ponga update​

The nib Newcastle Knights, in conjunction with independent concussion consultant, Conjoint Professor of Neurology at the University of Newcastle, and HMRI Researcher Professor Chris Levi, are continuing to explore all options to support Kalyn Ponga’s recovery from concussion.

This work includes consulting with global organisations to ensure every step is taken to safeguard player health and wellbeing.

After lengthy discussion and extensive research, Kalyn and Newcastle Knights Chief Medical Officer Dr Jin Lee are travelling to Vancouver, Canada to undertake further assessments.

Kalyn will undergo testing using a device that measures neurophysiological markers, which in turn will assist clinical decision making around recovery following concussion and provide further objective information to guide our clinicians.

The assessment will involve technology that is approved for use in Northern America however not yet available in Australia.

nib Newcastle Knights Director of Football Peter Parr spoke about the factors behind the decision.

“Management of concussion is a complex issue for everyone involved, we see this an opportunity to gather additional information to assist Kalyn in his recovery,” Parr said.

“Our broader aim, under the guidance of Professor Levi, is to develop a model of care that will advance our capacity in supporting players with concussion.

“Kalyn remains in good spirits and wishes to thank everyone who has enquired about his health.”

The travel party departed Australia on Friday March 24 and will return once testing is completed.

We will keep the public informed of any outcomes we are permitted to share, whilst maintaining patient confidentiality and respecting Kalyn’s privacy throughout the process.
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I like the effort the club is putting in to make sure hes 100%. He hasnt gone over for treatment which indicates hes recovered (i'm assuming), and if this testing clears any further damage then it's clear to all that the club has put his wellbeing first. A lead by example moment for the club which will hopefully be recognised.
 
SportsFan said:
I like the effort the club is putting in to make sure hes 100%. He hasnt gone over for treatment which indicates hes recovered (i'm assuming), and if this testing clears any further damage then it's clear to all that the club has put his wellbeing first. A lead by example moment for the club which will hopefully be recognised.
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That.
Or.
If worst comes to worst, putting together a watertight case for medical retirement that the NRL can't argue against.
Impossible to say we need to look at all possible treatments if we have already sort World's best practice.
 
SportsFan said:
I like the effort the club is putting in to make sure hes 100%. He hasnt gone over for treatment which indicates hes recovered (i'm assuming), and if this testing clears any further damage then it's clear to all that the club has put his wellbeing first. A lead by example moment for the club which will hopefully be recognised.
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Billy said:
That.
Or.
If worst comes to worst, putting together a watertight case for medical retirement that the NRL can't argue against.
Impossible to say we need to look at all possible treatments if we have already sort World's best practice.
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Definitely both are possibilities, I'd say.
 
I highly doubt that the Knights would send Ponga to Canada to try and prove his not fit to play NRL anymore. I also don’t think he’d be happy to go to Canada for that purpose either. It may well end up he has to retire but I think quite clearly the purpose of this trip is to give him the best chance to come back.
 
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