2022 team

Yes, the 90's, which can be called the Andrew Johns Era. Of course he played in to the 2000's also, but his arrival is what changed the teams playing style and fortunes.
The problem here is that Mr johns is a one gen player. I don't see who or anyone of that calibre to have the influence on our team like he did. Nobody, not even Pearce can be that player, ponga isn't but tries to be and seriously is a one trick pony. Skip to the outside of a/b/c defender and throw a "miracle" ball. We lack imagination and initiative to try new things. We are very predictable and still trying to play a field position game which works sometimes but mostly in this faster game you have to make your own luck. When opps come you've got to ice them. I seen yesterday two teams throw and inside/ inside ball and both worked to get into space. We lack that.
 
I think the problem with our attack is the coaching or lack thereof, AOB has said on a few occasions we focus heavily on defence and seems to indicate we don't do a lot on attack.. it hasn't helped we got Clifford half way through the season and Ponga was injured and we had Hoy in the spot all off season.

I dont expect much out of this final series on current from yes we scraped out a bit of a win streak on bottom placed teams, we need to learn how to attack in the off season and if we start off 2022 with the same clueless attack questions need to be asked of the coaching staff.

Yes defence wins games but a lot of the top sides have good defence but who is going to win games the teams that are threatening multiple times a set across the park stretching the defensive line and building pressure or the Knights who 1 out ruck it until we get to the opposition 20 and then put on a hand full of predictable plays on theb5th that you can see coming a mile away.. the only times we seem to score against the top sides is an unbeatable pass from Ponga. One of the sides is going to have a lot more energy for defence.

At NRL level of coaching how much does a coach really define the playing style of the club?

I mean you have head coach, attacking and defensive coaches, individual halves coaches etc. Players who like to play a certain style, on a certain side etc. Is a coach in there telling each player exactly where he wants them to be and do, or is he more there as a guiding influence to bring out the best an individual/team can provide.

I watch games and I can't for the life of me understand what we do at training sometimes!

Just an example from the last game.

Our attacking scrum set play on their 20 I think it was. Watch Penrith do it and they are silky smoth, well oiled machine and executed that play perfectly resulting in 2 tries out of I believe 3 attempts.

We ran a similar play but instead of running to the short side we have Watson run it in to the middle away from Bradman best, who you would think would be the target of such a play. The purpose of the play is to create the man overlap and put their Centre/winger under big pressure to make the right decision, yet we run it to centre field where their D can easily compress and slide. This honestly doesn't seem too hard to execute.

Set up scrum with Pearce feeding it, and Ponga too his right (in field) if running an attacking raid to the left wing. As the ball is fed the left Prop holds the opposing prop in the scrum, lock traps it, Ponga takes off to the left side of the scum, Pearce collects the ball at the back and runs a little to the line, passes to Ponga who then
A) Dummy to centre and run through to score.
B) Passes short ball to Centre running a line to score.
C) Cut out Pass to winger with Centre running decoy line and winger scores.

Likewise, kicking for touch from a penalty. What is OB doing here? Pearce takes the kick and puts it in to touch 10m further down field, yet we have clifford who could easily kick it 20-30m downfield. Is field position worth soo little these days?

General attacking play has to be heads up instinctive footy. Set up with a deeper attacking line and move the ball quickly, with a fast moving line. Then get it to your halves and let them play what they see. Has their Centre jammed in, then look to exploit it with a grubber through or get in behind the centre and put our own centre through. Or has their D line not slid as one, turn it back inside for Barny or fitz etc etc.

For the first time in ages last night, we looked to be trying this attacking style and it didn't come off. But for mine, that is because we have only tried it once. Spend pre-season and the first half of next year playing that style and I think we can rise to seriously contend for a top 4 berth.
 
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At NRL level of coaching how much does a coach really define the playing style of the club?

I mean you have head coach, attacking and defensive coaches, individual halves coaches etc. Players who like to play a certain style, on a certain side etc. Is a coach in there telling each player exactly where he wants them to be and do, or is he more there as a guiding influence to bring out the best an individual/team can provide.

I watch games and I can't for the life of me understand what we do at training sometimes!

Just an example from the last game.

Our attacking scrum set play on their 20 I think it was. Watch Penrith do it and they are silky smoth, well oiled machine and executed that play perfectly resulting in 2 tries out of I believe 3 attempts.

We ran a similar play but instead of running to the short side we have Watson run it in to the middle away from Bradman best, who you would think would be the target of such a play. The purpose of the play is to create the man overlap and put their Centre/winger under big pressure to make the right decision, yet we run it to centre field where their D can easily compress and slide. This honestly doesn't seem too hard to execute.

Set up scrum with Pearce feeding it, and Ponga too his right (in field) if running an attacking raid to the left wing. As the ball is fed the left Prop holds the opposing prop in the scrum, lock traps it, Ponga takes off to the left side of the scum, Pearce collects the ball at the back and runs a little to the line, passes to Ponga who then
A) Dummy to centre and run through to score.
B) Passes short ball to Centre running a line to score.
C) Cut out Pass to winger with Centre running decoy line and winger scores.

Likewise, kicking for touch from a penalty. What is OB doing here? Pearce takes the kick and puts it in to touch 10m further down field, yet we have clifford who could easily kick it 20-30m downfield. Is field position worth soo little these days?

General attacking play has to be heads up instinctive footy. Set up with a deeper attacking line and move the ball quickly, with a fast moving line. Then get it to your halves and let them play what they see. Has their Centre jammed in, then look to exploit it with a grubber through or get in behind the centre and put our own centre through. Or has their D line not slid as one, turn it back inside for Barny or fitz etc etc.

For the first time in ages last night, we looked to be trying this attacking style and it didn't come off. But for mine, that is because we have only tried it once. Spend pre-season and the first half of next year playing that style and I think we can rise to seriously contend for a top 4 berth.
Yes mate. It's like we don't know each other. South's use that backline play and get a result most times. It's like we turn up to training most days and shake hands then walk off.
 
Likewise, kicking for touch from a penalty. What is OB doing here? Pearce takes the kick and puts it in to touch 10m further down field, yet we have clifford who could easily kick it 20-30m downfield. Is field position worth soo little these days?

So dumb. It costs you nothing other than bruising Pearce's ego. It's no big secret that Clifford can kick a ball further than you mate.
 
So dumb. It costs you nothing other than bruising Pearce's ego. It's no big secret that Clifford can kick a ball further than you mate.

lol. Are we pandering to his Ego are we instead of doing all we can to win games.

The best player at a role should be doing it predominantly.

Pearce isn't captain anymore, should we give that back to him also to pad his ego. That must be why he is taking last tackle kicking options more than Clifford as well. Ego!

Ego, needs to give way to "best for the team".

If thats the reason, it's no wonder we continue to be anchored to mediocrity.
 
lol. Are we pandering to his Ego are we instead of doing all we can to win games.

The best player at a role should be doing it predominantly.

Pearce isn't captain anymore, should we give that back to him also to pad his ego. That must be why he is taking last tackle kicking options more than Clifford as well. Ego!

Ego, needs to give way to "best for the team".

If thats the reason, it's no wonder we continue to be anchored to mediocrity.
Look at how he acted with the roosters split. He definitely has an ego with on field achievements. Off the field his a nice enough bloke to talk too.
 
Article in Telegraph today, Buzz, “which big-name NRL star is soon to announce a bombshell switch to rugby union next year? He is keeping it quiet while his team is still in the finals”
Could be anyone but got my attention
 
I wouldn't be too worried about Ponga at this point, he may harbour dreams of playing for the all blacks, but I don't think they'd have him at the moment.
 
Only positions i don't see as already filled for next season are left wing and left edge backrower, as well as the two bench spots, ideally I would go with

1. Ponga
2. Toa
3. Gagai
4. Best
5. Hunt
6. Clifford
7. Pearce
8. Jake
9. Brailey
10. Dan
11. Friz
12. Jones
13. Barnett

14. Mann (lets face it he's gonna be in here somewhere)
15. Klemmer
16. Johns/Momoisea
17. Saulo

But I wouldn't be shocked if O'Brien decides Mann should play centre and gives Dane the other wing spot
 
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