HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Really good takes Owey.
Adam O'Brien discussion
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Yeah watching the press confrence both Adzy and ponga said multiple times they came into the game with the wrong mind set. I took that as they come to play conservite football and it really showed.
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Adrian Shelford
Yeah I just put that one down to a few guys underdone Jesse sue Brodie and Dan as well jirah still finding his feet in first grade and I think we went side ways to early with out creating some go forward which made sharks line speed to quick for us and made us pass under pressure and look terrible
packo
:) (:
I can appreciate that, and realistically I think he had to amend it. The sharks played more footy and it didn’t impact them. He needed to accept it wasn’t working
danknights
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Yeah definitely. Watching it by half time he should've said boys go out and play some footy but he didn't. You need to be able to change game plans on the run in minutes not after games.
Kurriboy
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I'd have liked to see OB hit the press conference and say that loss was on him. He told them to play conservatively and htats what they did, Cronulla didn't and took th points.
Having Barny and Klem back wouldn't have changed the result.
Another thing from the presser he says they spent time on attack and didn't so much this past week. Are footy players that poor at maintaining any momentum or focus on an area of the game that if they don't train it for 1 week they come out like they played against Cronulla?
That loss can be put down to OB telling them to play conservatively, to a team that for the first few weeks has played a free flowing attacking game. They just didn't know what to do. I'm sure he would have had a word to Clifford about toning down his kicking game also.
Add to that Ponga coming back in to the team and clogging up our attack putting himself where he isn't needed. Too many times he got the ball centre field with nothing on and took the tackle. Where previously we would be spreading the ball wide to look for an opportunity.
I can't recall the right edge seeing the ball in attack much at all, everything went left, then back to the middle, then back left.
Hopefully we can put this one behind us as a bad read by OB and a bit of a flat performance by the squad after the dramas of the last week.
I'll be looking at next weeks game to see what happens with Ponga and where he is getting the ball, how much Clune and Clifford are still in control of this team, because they need to be.
Having Barny and Klem back wouldn't have changed the result.
Another thing from the presser he says they spent time on attack and didn't so much this past week. Are footy players that poor at maintaining any momentum or focus on an area of the game that if they don't train it for 1 week they come out like they played against Cronulla?
That loss can be put down to OB telling them to play conservatively, to a team that for the first few weeks has played a free flowing attacking game. They just didn't know what to do. I'm sure he would have had a word to Clifford about toning down his kicking game also.
Add to that Ponga coming back in to the team and clogging up our attack putting himself where he isn't needed. Too many times he got the ball centre field with nothing on and took the tackle. Where previously we would be spreading the ball wide to look for an opportunity.
I can't recall the right edge seeing the ball in attack much at all, everything went left, then back to the middle, then back left.
Hopefully we can put this one behind us as a bad read by OB and a bit of a flat performance by the squad after the dramas of the last week.
I'll be looking at next weeks game to see what happens with Ponga and where he is getting the ball, how much Clune and Clifford are still in control of this team, because they need to be.
KnightsUnite
Banned
If AOB told Johns to play one out boring footy, you think the players would listen?
Ask most players they will tell you the coaches words before a game and at half time mean nothing
They could have changed it, they never looked like scoring a point
Ask most players they will tell you the coaches words before a game and at half time mean nothing
They could have changed it, they never looked like scoring a point
packo
:) (:
They played flat and short most of the game. The last 3 rounds we’ve had shapes and depths. If a coach tells you to play a certain style you do it. I 100% believe they stuck to their plan
I haven't seen the press conference yet, but this just sounds absolutely bizarre! Does he just have no idea whatsoever about attacking football? The success of the first few weeks and he goes back to his default Melbourne Storm 2009 style of play ... unbelievable!
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Trent Robinson played Joey Manu on the wing against us and for some reason persists in playing the best back rower in the NRL off the bench. Even great coaches make mistakes, they overthink things, or they misread them.
What bothers me about a coach isn’t getting things wrong, it’s getting them wrong and then not being willing to admit it. To me that’s insecurity, weakness, and how you lose a dressing room. Browny chops and changes lineups every week and a mere couple of weeks ago went on that absurd “I’m done with developing players, I wanna win and these losers keep losing” rant. Yet how many times have we seen Wayne Bennett come out and blame himself for everything what went wrong when one of his teams is soundly beaten?
What bothers me about a coach isn’t getting things wrong, it’s getting them wrong and then not being willing to admit it. To me that’s insecurity, weakness, and how you lose a dressing room. Browny chops and changes lineups every week and a mere couple of weeks ago went on that absurd “I’m done with developing players, I wanna win and these losers keep losing” rant. Yet how many times have we seen Wayne Bennett come out and blame himself for everything what went wrong when one of his teams is soundly beaten?
cowboyman
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Best back rower 
keep digging on your Crichton love in.
But yes that was a very weird tactic by Robinson regarding Manu and I said as such in the game day thread. Robinson and the Roosters always start the season slow. Either today or next week they will break lose and everyone will forget it by the end of the season when they are competing for the title.
AOB just seems out of his depth every time there is some heat applied to him and he has come up with some really bad interviews over the years.
keep digging on your Crichton love in.But yes that was a very weird tactic by Robinson regarding Manu and I said as such in the game day thread. Robinson and the Roosters always start the season slow. Either today or next week they will break lose and everyone will forget it by the end of the season when they are competing for the title.
AOB just seems out of his depth every time there is some heat applied to him and he has come up with some really bad interviews over the years.
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Of all the takes I’ve had, I never expected pushback on the one where I suggested the guy who’s been one of NSW’s two best forwards over the last couple of Origin series is a really good player. 
KnightsUnite
Banned
Agreed how many times do the coaches say "We didnt stick to the game plan".Best back rower
But yes that was a very weird tactic by Robinson regarding Manu and I said as such in the game day thread. Robinson and the Roosters always start the season slow. Either today or next week they will break lose and everyone will forget it by the end of the season when they are competing for the title.
AOB just seems out of his depth every time there is some heat applied to him and he has come up with some really bad interviews over the years.
AOB is very strange in his press conferences
As a player you can change your gameplan during a match and especially at half time...
they played like they did last season, boring footy with zero attack or set plays or even a weak defensive target on the opposition team wasn't identified
logicalfallacy
Ben Rogers
AOB hasn't convinced me as being the answer.
slotmachine
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I think he's clearly better than brownie (not saying much).
Despite the limitations, if he manages to make the finals three years running I'm not sure there is a replacement who would do any better.
Despite the limitations, if he manages to make the finals three years running I'm not sure there is a replacement who would do any better.
Junior
Richard Clarke
How? He has made 2 finals series out of 2, can't ask for much better from a rookie. He is still building his systems and putting them into place plus the coaching staff around him is just starting to shape into a threat.
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
The playing group looks happy, together and united. He has a winning record despite a cursed run with injuries. No we don’t know if he’s the answer yet, but when a coach definitely isn’t the answer you’d usually know by now.
logicalfallacy
Ben Rogers
You might be right and hope you are. Two final series is great agree. My doubts come from the fact the team has such massive differences between good and bad days. They just don't appear to be well coached in some of the structures and way we use players strengths. But the season is young so let's hope things go well.
Still_Nutty
Josh Smith
In other seasons a team like Cronulla playing the way they did on the weekend at their home ground would have put the same score line on us that the Bull dogs suffered on the weekend. We had a late try scored against us in the 39th minute that took a pretty spectacular effort by Katoa to get the ball down because Tuala was in position and made a valiant effort to push him out. We held on well for most of the second half and were only 8 points down until the 68th minute...remembering that Dom got sent to the bin in the 60th minute.
What I'm saying is, if that was our 'bad' performance, AOB has us streets ahead of where we have been in previous seasons on differences between good and bad.
Agree we looked really poor in our attacking play but we know that there is a much better standard of attack based on how we handled the Roosters in round 1. The key thing we need to do is fix our discipline this week...we just gave the Sharks too much momentum in attack that meant we progressively fatigued and couldn't hold out in the last 15 minutes, running back into a gale.
If we fix that and give ourselves the chance to build attacking and defensive pressure, we should be more than capable of turning it around and getting over the top of Manly, particularly at home.
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Wagyu Patty
Dank memes n' big screens
I think people are obsessed with this idea that a rookie coach needs to dominate the competition with their fresh and new ideas. Based off of the successes of Michael Maguire and Trent Robinson, both of whom inherited awesome squads that were already in their premiership window at successful clubs.
O'Brien came from a successful system, but it takes time to implement the systems and standards required to be a successful club, something that I think we're beginning to see the fruits of in 2022. We will likely still have backslides, but the frequency of these I expect to be something that decreases over time.
Our worst defeats this season have both been by only 18 points, which most of the points came once we were down to 12 men. I have no clue if O'Brien is the solution to our problems but he's better than any other available option, has a + winning record and has made 2/2 finals series in seasons riddled by injury.
He gets a pass mark in my opinion so far.
O'Brien came from a successful system, but it takes time to implement the systems and standards required to be a successful club, something that I think we're beginning to see the fruits of in 2022. We will likely still have backslides, but the frequency of these I expect to be something that decreases over time.
Our worst defeats this season have both been by only 18 points, which most of the points came once we were down to 12 men. I have no clue if O'Brien is the solution to our problems but he's better than any other available option, has a + winning record and has made 2/2 finals series in seasons riddled by injury.
He gets a pass mark in my opinion so far.