Origin Eligibility
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josh2010
Up The Knights!!!!!
Hmmm I don't know how he is but he is still eligible.... Im confused by it all now LOL. Either way if he gets selected in Origin or AUS then something need s to be done cause its BS
josh2010
Up The Knights!!!!!
Looks like another good move
http://www.nrl.com/arlc-hoping-for-junior-tests-ruling/tabid/10874/newsid/70221/default.aspx
http://www.nrl.com/arlc-hoping-for-junior-tests-ruling/tabid/10874/newsid/70221/default.aspx
Joshhh
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
They play for NZ now, but wait until Mal gets to them
They may be Junior Kiwis now but who knows where they'll end up playing - and in what colours - in the future.
MEET the Kangaroos' Generation Next.
A gifted bunch of footballers who are all Maori ink, Auckland passports and "how the bloody hell do you sing Advance Australia Fair, cuz?"
With the Australian Rugby League Commission yet to sort league's shambolic eligibility laws, there is a chance these Junior Kiwis could one day play for the Australian Kangaroos.
In fact, The Daily Telegraph can reveal it was this squad of 19 young men - 10 of whom already represent Australian Toyota Cup sides - that formed much of the discussion when New Zealand Rugby League officials met with the commissioners in Townsville over the weekend to thrash out the eligibility crisis.
Only hours before James Tamou demolished his countrymen wearing a Kangaroos jersey and Maori tattoos, a series of ideas were debated inside a meeting called specifically to keep these young Kiwis in black.
It's understood the ARLC discussed three different eligibility options, one of which insists a player can only represent Australia, and therefore be eligible for State of Origin, once he has lived here for 50 per cent of his life.
Therefore, a New Zealander who moves to Australia aged eight can represent Australia once he turns 16. However, a Kiwi who moves here at 16 is not eligible until he turns 32.
Tamou, who moved to Australia at 13, would still be representing New Zealand under this model. The Kangaroos' 18th man Ben Te'o, a Junior Kiwi who represented Samoa at the 2008 World Cup, would also be wearing black.
Asked how it felt to watch the prop dubbed "Aussie Jim" tear his Kiwis apart on Saturday night, NZRL chairman Scott Carter said: "Oh, look, certainly there is some irony to it. But over the past two days we've covered a lot of ground with the commission regarding eligibility laws.
"I'm not going to reveal exactly what was discussed, but we're hoping before the start of next season there will be rules in place so this latest batch of Junior Kiwis . . . they'll be staying in black jerseys."
Of this current batch of Junior Kiwis, 10 are already playing Toyota Cup with Australian clubs in NSW or . . . worse . . . Queensland.
Already, Carter has voiced his concern about Maroons coach Mal Meninga and his cronies "hanging from the trees in Townsville" to get a look at his boys.
Living in Queensland and playing for the Cowboy' Toyota Cup side are backrower Jason Taumalolo and winger Wayne Ulugia. Next year, centre Curtis Rona will join them. Meninga will also have an eye on backrower Tohu Harris and 18th man Jeremy Hawkins, aligned with Melbourne and the Raiders respectively.
Given the way Tamou played, you can circle a blue target around boom Roosters fullback Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Cronulla halfback Penani Manumalealii and Tigers props Mosese Fotuaika and Jesse Sue.
The Junior Kiwis bench also included Tupou Sopoaga (Canterbury Bulldogs) and Apirana Pewhairangi (Newcastle Knights).
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...mal-gets-to-them/story-e6frexnr-1226495740811
They may be Junior Kiwis now but who knows where they'll end up playing - and in what colours - in the future.
MEET the Kangaroos' Generation Next.
A gifted bunch of footballers who are all Maori ink, Auckland passports and "how the bloody hell do you sing Advance Australia Fair, cuz?"
With the Australian Rugby League Commission yet to sort league's shambolic eligibility laws, there is a chance these Junior Kiwis could one day play for the Australian Kangaroos.
In fact, The Daily Telegraph can reveal it was this squad of 19 young men - 10 of whom already represent Australian Toyota Cup sides - that formed much of the discussion when New Zealand Rugby League officials met with the commissioners in Townsville over the weekend to thrash out the eligibility crisis.
Only hours before James Tamou demolished his countrymen wearing a Kangaroos jersey and Maori tattoos, a series of ideas were debated inside a meeting called specifically to keep these young Kiwis in black.
It's understood the ARLC discussed three different eligibility options, one of which insists a player can only represent Australia, and therefore be eligible for State of Origin, once he has lived here for 50 per cent of his life.
Therefore, a New Zealander who moves to Australia aged eight can represent Australia once he turns 16. However, a Kiwi who moves here at 16 is not eligible until he turns 32.
Tamou, who moved to Australia at 13, would still be representing New Zealand under this model. The Kangaroos' 18th man Ben Te'o, a Junior Kiwi who represented Samoa at the 2008 World Cup, would also be wearing black.
Asked how it felt to watch the prop dubbed "Aussie Jim" tear his Kiwis apart on Saturday night, NZRL chairman Scott Carter said: "Oh, look, certainly there is some irony to it. But over the past two days we've covered a lot of ground with the commission regarding eligibility laws.
"I'm not going to reveal exactly what was discussed, but we're hoping before the start of next season there will be rules in place so this latest batch of Junior Kiwis . . . they'll be staying in black jerseys."
Of this current batch of Junior Kiwis, 10 are already playing Toyota Cup with Australian clubs in NSW or . . . worse . . . Queensland.
Already, Carter has voiced his concern about Maroons coach Mal Meninga and his cronies "hanging from the trees in Townsville" to get a look at his boys.
Living in Queensland and playing for the Cowboy' Toyota Cup side are backrower Jason Taumalolo and winger Wayne Ulugia. Next year, centre Curtis Rona will join them. Meninga will also have an eye on backrower Tohu Harris and 18th man Jeremy Hawkins, aligned with Melbourne and the Raiders respectively.
Given the way Tamou played, you can circle a blue target around boom Roosters fullback Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Cronulla halfback Penani Manumalealii and Tigers props Mosese Fotuaika and Jesse Sue.
The Junior Kiwis bench also included Tupou Sopoaga (Canterbury Bulldogs) and Apirana Pewhairangi (Newcastle Knights).
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...mal-gets-to-them/story-e6frexnr-1226495740811
Junior11
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
What a ridiculous article, why would Australia want these players who got flogged by the mighty young Aussies...Our Generation Next is obviously all well and good the way it is. 1-2 Kiwis choose Australia over NZ and all of a sudden the entire Australian side is going to be full of Kiwis, what a joke lol
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Well like I said Junior, New Zealand had won three out of the last four junior tests before Saturday night, so although we lost this one, we do hold the balance of power in junior football. Didn't help that Josh Papalii disappeared from our winning team from last year - he was still eligible and would no doubt have played for us on the weekend, had he not been poached.You can go on about the wonderful up and coming players Australia has all you like, but the fact is you guys are the ones who are already filling Origin up with Kiwis, and it's already filtering through into the Kangaroo side, with Levin Knights junior Tamou your players player on Saturday.
Why do you think the players stopped saying their junior clue when introducing the team line-ups during $tate of Origin, bro, this year? Coz Levin for Tamou and Hibiscus Coast for Teo don't sound very Australian, perhaps?
Novocastrian90
Brock Mueller
You can go on about the wonderful up and coming players Australia has all you like, but the fact is you guys are the ones who are already filling Origin up with Kiwis, and it's already filtering through into the Kangaroo side, with Levin Knights junior Tamou your players player on Saturday.
Why do you think the players stopped saying their junior clue when introducing the team line-ups during $tate of Origin, bro, this year? Coz Levin for Tamou and Hibiscus Coast for Teo don't sound very Australian, perhaps?
2 of the 42 players who played an origin game this year.. Might need to check the definition of filling up.
As for the article, its a DT article so is automatic nonsense. Anyway wouldn't eligibility laws be RLIF territory.
Two players switched and played this year, another switched in Papalii for next year (even though he has been in Aus most of his life, he was a Kiwi until this year) and they were after Kasiano in a big way, too.
A possible four players in one year is a huge amount for a competition that's meant to be based on Australians representing their state of origin. Keep that rate up and it will become a landslide.
And that's not even bringing up Uate.
Origin eligibility is purely down the the ARL, it has nothing to do with the RLIF, because it's not an international competition. And let's face it, Origin $ is the thing causing this.
Junior11
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
You're all the same haha holding onto past events, like still bringing up the WC from 4 years ago even though NZ has pretty much lost every single matchup since and before that game. The Junior Aussies flogged the Junior Kiwis only a few nights ago, that tells me Australia's are in quite a good spot right now.
Australia has 1 Kiwi in their side, big deal. Do you want to look at all the Australian born players in the NZ side? Hoffman, Beale, Pritchard, SKD, Nightingale, McKendry to name just a few recent ones, and what about the Australian Schooboys that NZ have poached, Foran, Proctor, Taumalolo, Marshall etc your team is FULL of Australians and ex-Australian Schoolboys, your last 2 captains (Cayless and Marshall) are Australian born/Australian Schoolboys, how does that feel? But I'm waiting for you to justify it because it's okay for NZ to poach dozens of Australians but it's not okay for Australia, QLD and NSW to have a total of 3 Kiwis (2 are yet to even play for Australia or Origin) out of about 60 other players who make up the squads...
Come back to me when the NZ is 100% made up of NZ players like you're criticizing Australia for not being 100% full of Australians.
Australia has 1 Kiwi in their side, big deal. Do you want to look at all the Australian born players in the NZ side? Hoffman, Beale, Pritchard, SKD, Nightingale, McKendry to name just a few recent ones, and what about the Australian Schooboys that NZ have poached, Foran, Proctor, Taumalolo, Marshall etc your team is FULL of Australians and ex-Australian Schoolboys, your last 2 captains (Cayless and Marshall) are Australian born/Australian Schoolboys, how does that feel? But I'm waiting for you to justify it because it's okay for NZ to poach dozens of Australians but it's not okay for Australia, QLD and NSW to have a total of 3 Kiwis (2 are yet to even play for Australia or Origin) out of about 60 other players who make up the squads...
Come back to me when the NZ is 100% made up of NZ players like you're criticizing Australia for not being 100% full of Australians.
Pretty typical attitude that you'd try and claim Benji Marshall as an Australian!
Come back to me when you can accept you lost the World Cup and give some credit to the opposing team. We did win the Four Nations in 2010 which you seem to have forgotten, too.
I never said NZ were squeaky clean, it's obvious to me anyway, that the rules need a big overhaul to prevent origin playing such a big role, and any further anomalies.
Anyway, this argument is getting ridiculous, you bag me for bringing up the last World Cup, but then you bag NZ for having Cayless in the team, which is just as long ago (the World Cup final was his final international).
All the NZ players have had NZ roots bar Nathan Fien and Brett Webb, I doubt any rule will ever stop anyone from representing the place of their parents birth.
Come back to me when you can accept you lost the World Cup and give some credit to the opposing team. We did win the Four Nations in 2010 which you seem to have forgotten, too.
I never said NZ were squeaky clean, it's obvious to me anyway, that the rules need a big overhaul to prevent origin playing such a big role, and any further anomalies.
Anyway, this argument is getting ridiculous, you bag me for bringing up the last World Cup, but then you bag NZ for having Cayless in the team, which is just as long ago (the World Cup final was his final international).
All the NZ players have had NZ roots bar Nathan Fien and Brett Webb, I doubt any rule will ever stop anyone from representing the place of their parents birth.
I think the proposal is you have to have lived in the state for half your life. Sounds like a great rule to me!
MattyM
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I guess that's fair. But if it was me being born in NSW then moving to Queensland and living there, I'd still choose my home state anyday.
Novocastrian90
Brock Mueller
I'm talking about International eligibility laws. If they make it that Junior Kiwi's must play for Senior Kiwi's, they wouldn't be able to be poached, and Origin wouldn't come into it.
Origin is a simple fix. Born here or F&&k off.
Yeah, but make the change you mention to Origin eligibility and you'll never see anyone switch from Junior Kiwis to Australia, either. Both ways work.
That's only for players who come from overseas. The guidelines to what state you will play for if you are from Australia were drawn up earlier this year, there's a few different criteria.
MattyM
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Yes, exactly. This.
The problem with this is that it's far too simplistic.
Do you seriously think Billy Moore should've played for NSW simply because that's where the nearest hospital to his home town of Wallangarra was? Or that Peter Sterling should have played for Qld even though he never played a junior game there?
I don't think having where a player is born as the sole criteria is a good idea at all.
josh2010
Up The Knights!!!!!
Thats a good point. Maybe go off % then. So if you live in a state for say 90% of your life then thats who you play for? 90% is just an example and not sure on what the correct number should be. Hard to force someone to play for NSW when they have lived in QLD for all but say 10 years!