Cronulla - A club in Turmoil

Joey

Newcastle since 1997
Cronulla's current situation has led me to make this thread where everyone can discuss their views on the struggling club.

Here are some things to think about:
Should coach Ricky Stuart be sacked?
Can they turn the losing streaks into winning streaks?
Do they need new players?
Is it the board?
Are the players putting in?

I think it might have something to do with Stuart, but this is only my opinion. I believe that the players are trying hard but they just can't manage a victory. There are so many things to think about, so tell us your opinion.
 
Well i dont think its Ricky Stuart, i think it may have something to do with the board IMO. I think they are good in defence but are lacking severly in attack, they struugle for pace and athletic ability. I believe there fowards and halves are good enough, but lack any sort of an x factor player like a Jennings or a Uate. IMO i think they are trying hard but struggle for pace out wide. I think if they are to win games, they need to recruit a fast, high profile outside back. If i was the knights, this weekend i would not be taking them lightly at all. And Rick stone should exploit the fact that there outside men are as slow as a wet weekend, where Uate and Vuna get early ball.
 
Cronulla's current situation has led me to make this thread where everyone can discuss their views on the struggling club.

Here are some things to think about:
Should coach Ricky Stuart be sacked?
Can they turn the losing streaks into winning streaks?
Do they need new players?
Is it the board?
Are the players putting in?

I think it might have something to do with Stuart, but this is only my opinion. I believe that the players are trying hard but they just can't manage a victory. There are so many things to think about, so tell us your opinion.

One more thing to think about:

Should they even be in the comp?

Been around since the late 60's and won nothing. Been broke more times than a Gold Coast entrepeneur.

Second lowest crowds in 2009 (just ahead of Canberra)
Lowest in 2007

Who cares??
 
1) They are not spending up to the cap limit as they cannot afford it, so they are playing better paid opposition every week.

2) Cannot afford to et rid of Ricky as they would not be able to afford another NRL standard coach so would have to replace Ricky with a rookie.

3) Appear to have no spirit, unlike the Knights Dogs Broncos and Eels who up to this round were 1 and 4 they play with no passion and appear disinterested in being on the field let alone playing.

4) Board has to go, they have ruined what was a very succesful club and allowed the rot to infect them.

5) After the controversy from last season the sharks brand has been severely damaged, and is possibly irrepairable, I feel for the sharks supporters as they are the ones who will suffer.

We cannot afford as an NRL to loose the Sharks, shire people ill not support the Dragons or Roosters and want there own team. Personally if they can survive it will take 2-3 years for them to be a force again, in the meantime I hope Ricky can instill some passion into the boys and a sense of pride in their jersey, just hope it isn't before this weekend so the Knights can walk away with the points.
 
They really are just pathetic, but on paper dont look to bad.
3.Pomery 4. Tau tai 5. Ferguson, 6. Barret 7. Tim smith. 8 Kade Snowden (playing great footy) 10. Luke douglas(also playin good footy) 11. Anthony Topou 13. Paul Gallen. But they are not doin well and lest hope the knights can woop their arses this weekend!!
 
It's a tough one. I think theyve got heaps of talent that just don't work together.

Main problem is the backline. Let's name some...

Covell - I don't know why they have kept him for so long. He is the slowest winger, and offers nothing. Even his goal kicking is off the rails. I know he is out injured. The Sharks should be sticking to young blood and be patient.

Pomeroy - One of the worst centres in the game IMO.

Tautai - Always been average at Parra and has continued it at Cronulla, again why was he bought?

Collis - Unfortunate injury, might add when he returns.

The halves are decent pairing! Put them in any other side and they would be winning games!

Gallen - Douglas - Snowden: 3 quality players, you know what you're going to get from them.

Tupou - He has been average this year, stats are low, makes errors all the time. Biggest disapointment for mine.

The hookers... Morris & Aiton - I think they both need more game time, so maybe try just one hooker for the game?

Cuthbertson - Why is he in reserves? He isn't going to prove himself there.

Cordoba - Dud.

Vave - A talent... but needs more game time.

Kelly - Exposed in the wrong position.

Cronulla for me comes down to team selection... which must mean Ricky Stuart I guess.
 
We cannot afford as an NRL to loose the Sharks, shire people ill not support the Dragons or Roosters and want there own team.

I say we can afford to lose them. Population of the shire is 220,000.

Population of Central Queensland region is 215,000, so no real loss of support if we replaced one with the other.

Central Coast population is 300,000

Bring in new areas I say, with new supporters prepared to show passion for their team and region. Cronulla have had almost 50 years to establish themselves, and haven't come up with the goods.
 
I say we can afford to lose them. Population of the shire is 220,000.

Population of Central Queensland region is 215,000, so no real loss of support if we replaced one with the other.

Central Coast population is 300,000

Bring in new areas I say, with new supporters prepared to show passion for their team and region. Cronulla have had almost 50 years to establish themselves, and haven't come up with the goods.

So you would happily sacrifice the Shire like we did North Sydney?

Rugby Union is a massive threat in both these areas and we have already lost one so why go and sacrifice the other? Strategically we need the Shire if for nothing else but defense against rival codes.

If they are removed from the comp (which I doubt Gallop will do) I say go too Adelaide of Perth or have get a second NZ team. Central Coast is a no go they claim to have it all sorted but corporate sponsorship will not be enough to sustain a team.
 
So you would happily sacrifice the Shire like we did North Sydney?

Short answer is yes I would...but to compare Norths and Cronulla is fairly spurious. Norths were a foundation club and filled a gap (along with Manly) between the harbour and Newcastle. It was always insane to give that area away. And although they have had their financial troubles, they have never been the financial basket case and embarrasment the Sharks have been.

The Sharks are surrounded by the Dragons, have a smallish population (which is growing only marginally) and have had almost 50 years to make a success of it...something they have failed to do.

Forget Adelaide, Perth could be OK but dubious. CQ is a goer, as I believe is CC. Another NZ team I can live with.

League would not blink an eye if the Sharks died tomorrow.
 
Short answer is yes I would...but to compare Norths and Cronulla is fairly spurious. Norths were a foundation club and filled a gap (along with Manly) between the harbour and Newcastle. It was always insane to give that area away. And although they have had their financial troubles, they have never been the financial basket case and embarrasment the Sharks have been.

The Sharks are surrounded by the Dragons, have a smallish population (which is growing only marginally) and have had almost 50 years to make a success of it...something they have failed to do.

Forget Adelaide, Perth could be OK but dubious. CQ is a goer, as I believe is CC. Another NZ team I can live with.

League would not blink an eye if the Sharks died tomorrow.

Agreed, i think if the sharks left no one except the die hard supporters would care, just bring in a seccond nz team, another queensland team or a Central coast team. The sharks have achieved nothing in the time they have been playing rugby league.
 
Should coach Ricky Stuart be sacked?

Yes, but they dont have the money to pay his contract out

Can they turn the losing streaks into winning streaks?

Nope

Do they need new players?

They need a decent backline, apart from Ferguson all the backs are rubbish

Is it the board?

The board are trying to cut costs and unfortunately for the team it means that they will continue buying crap players eg Aiton

Are the players putting in?

Yep, they are just crap like the Souths and Cowboys teams of the 90s..
 
I still don't understand why they let their best outside back in Kearney go at the end of last year. I know he had a bad injury run in 2009, but he was their only decent attacking weapon.
 
The year they lost De Gois & Kimmorley and signed duds to replace them, always going downhill from there.

If I were the decent players, I'd be feeling wasted. They can easily go elsewhere and star. Not like many of them are local & loyal sharks juniors anyway.
 
Look at the side Stuart inherited from Raper, and look at it now. Stuart had a few good years until the end of 08, but his player retention and recruitment has been extremely questionable.

Those players you mentioned AK, he got rid of Kimmorley and didn't seem too interested in keeping De Gois, considering the plethora of other hookers he signed leading up to De Gois's departure.
 
Cronulla great Gavin Miller's fears for club

CRONULLA legend Gavin Miller has pleaded for fans to stick solid with the embattled Sharks, fearing the club could soon become the next North Sydney or Newtown.

Miller - one of the five greatest Cronulla players of all time - believes his former club could be the next side to disappear from the top flight if they continue to struggle on and off the field.

The Sharks sit dead last on the NRL table after their 44-16 thrashing at the hands of the Broncos on Sunday and The Daily Telegraph yesterday revealed that, due to their precarious financial situation, they are the only club not to spend all of the NRL's $4.1 million salary cap.

Speaking with The Daily Telegraph, Miller, who played 11 seasons at Shark Park, said: "We all have to bleed together. And we need to be kissed by a few angels.

"Down the track, I want to tell my grandchildren that I played for Cronulla and be able to take them to games."

To do that, Miller says, fans must continue to support coach Ricky Stuart and his men.

Asked was he worried about Cronulla's future, Miller said: "Absolutely. I'm more than worried. I often think of the anguish guys like Greg Florimo went through when Norths went out of the competition. You have to remember the enormous pleasure the Bears gave their fans. I think about Newtown not being in the competition any more as well.

"We all have to stick solid and support Ricky and the team. This is a very tough period for this club.

"The last thing this club needs is speculation about the demise of the coach. We've got to be positive. Everyone is involved."

Compounding the sense of crisis at the club were conflicting remarks after the match from Stuart and his star forward Paul Gallen.

Stuart said one of the problems the club faced was it wasn't spending its full cap allowance. But Gallen expressed surprise, saying one of the reasons he re-signed with the club was that the Sharks would be spending to their limit to ensure they would once again be an NRL force.

Sharks CEO Richard Fisk last night sought to defuse the issue by insisting Cronulla did indeed spend its cap - for its top tier side.

"Basically we spend [the full amount] on the NRL salary cap but we haven't gone to the limit on our second tier or NYC [national youth competition] salary caps," he said. "The new management and the board inherited a football club in which people had been spending way past their own means. All we've simply done is come in and say we can't afford to spend that money.

"We could keep spending like a drunken sailor and the club would go broke or we can be responsible in the way we're spending our money."

Daily Telegraph
 
i bet they're not in turmoil this weekend as I reckon they'll beat us- we will be the ones to lose to the team that everyone else beats (except parra of course-but they sucked that night):lol:

beware the shark when there is blood in the water!
 
well, as I have said in another thread, they can't get the spoon anymore but they better pick up their performances so people can't say 'they should have got the spoon' or 'the only reason they didnt get it is because melbourne are salary cap cheats'.
 
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