HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills lol. “Too trigger happy” lol. Honestly we should have been pinged at least ten times in the Storm game, the leniency helped us stay in it.
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Don't think we've played them yet, can't remember getting pumped by 50
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Haha brain snap. Meant the Panthers game.
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I can’t say I agree with this, Roosters run set plays with more shape & structure than anyone. A lot of the time they’ll have three guys running unders lines before the ball even gets to Walker. They just execute so well and it’s never clunky, so it looks free flowing and spontaneous, but their positional players know their lines by heart.
Knights attack is clunky due to a lack of continuity, not winning point of contact, and Blake Green being old & slow/Kurt Mann not being very good. The better teams don’t not run structured plays - if anything they run more complex structures and do it better.
Then once they’ve knocked the resolve out of teams with the set plays and they’re running downhill, they start globetrotting on fools like us. They don’t try that stuff against Melbourne and it only comes off like 20% of the time against us, but they’re not worried about us scoring on them so they straight up stop caring about giving away ball in their red zone. They’re so far ahead of us on every level it’s not funny.
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Depends on the style of footy you enjoy I guess. I don’t mind players getting hit high when it’s soft contact, falling into the tackle, coming off the ball etc. Same with those soft crushers. The game is turning into society, trying to make everything politically correct.
They think they’re going to make the game more entertaining by speeding if it up and having more points scored? Nothing worse than watching 60 points a game, and there is a lot more high scoring games because of the rule change. Try’s will become boring if everyone is scoring more of them.
Id rather see two front rowers at each other all game, and their team mates feeding off that energy with a 18 12 score line...
Anyway we will continue down the fast paced game of touch footy.
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Yeah I’m with you mate. The score line doesn’t necessarily tell you about the quality of play, attacking or otherwise. Some games two teams throw a lot at each other and the score is 14-12, some games both teams just let the opposition stroll through them and it’s 36-28...
Look, the Penrith Panthers are a really good team, but their near-invincibility atm is heavily attributable to the removal of piggyback penalties from the game. With no threat of letting the opposition boot it downfield, they can simply outwork everyone and stretch the rules to their maximum. A lot of their tries are simply down to their opponents just not being able to hang with them anymore. Parra are also a bit like that, both sides score a lot of tries against opponents who are basically falling over by the end of the game.
You could say that not gifting teams field position via the whistle means that bad teams don’t get an easy out... but should it be the case that trying to play clean & within the rules is just bad tactics? Is that really what we want?
Remember that hated 2018 refereeing crackdown when there were some games which featured literally dozens of penalties? Well, that’s how you really get rid of the wrestle. For the first half of the season the top sides were the teams of that season you associate most with sparkling attacking play - the Dragons (that team liked to try and play fast & clean over the ad line) the Warriors (Shaun Johnson, RTS, that offload heavy Warriors style freed up by enforcement of ruck infringements rules) and the previous iteration of Penrith (the one which would come back from 20 points down a lot). You had some very low scoring games, but the teams who were putting points on were doing it with well executed plays against defenses who’d be punished for spoiling tactics, but who were also *not* suffering horrific fatigue.
The Storm & Roosters on the other hand, the teams most associated with the dark arts in the ruck & holding down too long, were in the bottom half of the 8. Suddenly a lot of what they did to control games under lax refereeing became something which had them on the back foot constantly. But the blowhards in the media didn’t like the refs enforcing the rules of the game I guess, so the crackdown stopped, the refereeing got laxer if anything, and then what a surprise, Roosters - Storm top two, Roosters - Storm grand final. That Roosters team wasn’t as classy as they are now and basically just bashed their way to a title & prevented teams from getting anything off against them with their often cynical & dirty defence.
I recognise there’s a couple of teams, the current Melbourne & Easts sides most notably (these things can change over time), who play under these rules by looking to attack from anywhere on the field, to counter the way defences are compressing and trying to pin sides in their own end more aggressively than ever before. They’ve got the cattle to do that and back their defence if there’s an error. The majority of teams have not done that and games between the weaker sides have never been worse to watch than they are under these rules.
Look, the Penrith Panthers are a really good team, but their near-invincibility atm is heavily attributable to the removal of piggyback penalties from the game. With no threat of letting the opposition boot it downfield, they can simply outwork everyone and stretch the rules to their maximum. A lot of their tries are simply down to their opponents just not being able to hang with them anymore. Parra are also a bit like that, both sides score a lot of tries against opponents who are basically falling over by the end of the game.
You could say that not gifting teams field position via the whistle means that bad teams don’t get an easy out... but should it be the case that trying to play clean & within the rules is just bad tactics? Is that really what we want?
Remember that hated 2018 refereeing crackdown when there were some games which featured literally dozens of penalties? Well, that’s how you really get rid of the wrestle. For the first half of the season the top sides were the teams of that season you associate most with sparkling attacking play - the Dragons (that team liked to try and play fast & clean over the ad line) the Warriors (Shaun Johnson, RTS, that offload heavy Warriors style freed up by enforcement of ruck infringements rules) and the previous iteration of Penrith (the one which would come back from 20 points down a lot). You had some very low scoring games, but the teams who were putting points on were doing it with well executed plays against defenses who’d be punished for spoiling tactics, but who were also *not* suffering horrific fatigue.
The Storm & Roosters on the other hand, the teams most associated with the dark arts in the ruck & holding down too long, were in the bottom half of the 8. Suddenly a lot of what they did to control games under lax refereeing became something which had them on the back foot constantly. But the blowhards in the media didn’t like the refs enforcing the rules of the game I guess, so the crackdown stopped, the refereeing got laxer if anything, and then what a surprise, Roosters - Storm top two, Roosters - Storm grand final. That Roosters team wasn’t as classy as they are now and basically just bashed their way to a title & prevented teams from getting anything off against them with their often cynical & dirty defence.
I recognise there’s a couple of teams, the current Melbourne & Easts sides most notably (these things can change over time), who play under these rules by looking to attack from anywhere on the field, to counter the way defences are compressing and trying to pin sides in their own end more aggressively than ever before. They’ve got the cattle to do that and back their defence if there’s an error. The majority of teams have not done that and games between the weaker sides have never been worse to watch than they are under these rules.
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Luke Quigley
should start signing players from touch footy comps 
HarVeeGee13
Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Welcome to the resistance Sterlo 
Welcome to the resistance Sterlo
Agree with sterlo....the 6 again rule is crap and has ruined the game.
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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Personally I’d rather simplify things and go back to the standard penalties. Maybe allow a quick tap in more situations. But at this stage I’ll take some sort of compromise.
One of the commentators I heard suggest blowing a penalty in your own half and six again in the opposition half.
Warriors here, was coming on here to see how you guys assess your season so far and how you think it will play out from here on, then I saw this thread.
From my point of view it is not the Ref's role to speed up play. The contest should be between the players. They wanted to speed up the play, but the teams that slowed the play down before are still getting away with it. Let us be honest, teams that are expected to win tend to get the decisions, that has been the way forever, you guys have been on the receiving end, same as us. It is carrying on with this rule.
As for the Bunker reviewing every try, give me strength, their decisions seem to be based on whether they have taken their medication. Some of the reversed decisions for obstruction defy logic when no way the so called obstructed player could ever make the tackle. A defining of Obstruction was done, then translated into legalese, now it is law. Each incident should be judged on it's merits. Did the obstruction mean a defender could reasonably have made a tackle. Yes or no, simple really.
When playing Union in NZ a Coach said to our team, 'Rugby is a simple game, otherwise they wouldn't let you stupid pricks play it'.
From my point of view it is not the Ref's role to speed up play. The contest should be between the players. They wanted to speed up the play, but the teams that slowed the play down before are still getting away with it. Let us be honest, teams that are expected to win tend to get the decisions, that has been the way forever, you guys have been on the receiving end, same as us. It is carrying on with this rule.
As for the Bunker reviewing every try, give me strength, their decisions seem to be based on whether they have taken their medication. Some of the reversed decisions for obstruction defy logic when no way the so called obstructed player could ever make the tackle. A defining of Obstruction was done, then translated into legalese, now it is law. Each incident should be judged on it's merits. Did the obstruction mean a defender could reasonably have made a tackle. Yes or no, simple really.
When playing Union in NZ a Coach said to our team, 'Rugby is a simple game, otherwise they wouldn't let you stupid pricks play it'.