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Hope we can compete like a team that didn't just meet, hold the bloody ball and look good in attack
 
Owey said:
I hope he us under utilised if anything today. I don't mind him loitering around the ruck and having a run directly off a quick ptb, otherwise he needs to trust his halves to find him out wider. He won't always get the ball when he thinks he should because we have a lot of running threats, but he needs to be patient and concentrate on support.
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Hope so mate, if they’re committed to Fletcher in the halves he has to get those reps on the ball, whatever type of half they want him to be. But I’m very trepidatious.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Hope so mate, if they’re committed to Fletcher in the halves he has to get those reps on the ball, whatever type of half they want him to be. But I’m very trepidatious.
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I'm trusting the new coach to get Ponga's balance right. I'm not sure the old coach's comms to Ponga last year were clear enough. 🤞🤞
 
Owey said:
I'm trusting the new coach to get Ponga's balance right. I'm not sure the old coach's comms to Ponga last year were clear enough. 🤞🤞
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Always wondered if AOB only ever working with guys like Cam Smith & Cooper Cronk affected his perspective. So used to great players just figuring it out & implementing very detailed game plans. Kalyn is a great player so surely he can do the same?

There are different kinds of great players though.
 
1) Play a free flowing game, eyes up attacking footy that isn't going to bore the hell out of me.
2) Brown and Sharpe to take control of the game.
3) Dom Young to re-discover his attacking strike from anywhere on the field.
4) KP to start running the ball back from kicks and attacking the line, look to link with another player to counter attack.
5) Smith to be utilised well in the rotation when and how they bring him on.
6) Defend as a well drilled unit.

What I expect to see. KP not playing like a fullback still, getting his hands on the ball too often, and looking a bit clunky. That in turn starves Brown and Sharpe of the ball on our way to a loss where the Media continue the Brown isn't a 7 onslaught. A bit of drop ball from both teams but the cowboys capatilise on those chances.

RE 1) This team was never going to be a success with AOB Grind Fest, we do need to become a free flowing attacking machine and stick with it as heavy structure completely negates KP's strength, and Brown + Sharpe also. It's deathly boring to watch and does not generate points unless you have the tools to play that style and grind other teams in to mistakes.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Always wondered if AOB only ever working with guys like Cam Smith & Cooper Cronk affected his perspective. So used to great players just figuring it out & implementing very detailed game plans. Kalyn is a great player so surely he can do the same?

There are different kinds of great players though.
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I've always said this of AOB. He came here from Melbourne and Roosters and this club just isn't at their level, can't just make it happen as they do. And he had no answers when his idea didn't work so he reverted to a "grinding" game style as that is all he saw in us. We are a boring team was his words, he made sure of that. Unfortunately he took on a head coaching role before his time and was out of his depth.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Always wondered if AOB only ever working with guys like Cam Smith & Cooper Cronk affected his perspective. So used to great players just figuring it out & implementing very detailed game plans. Kalyn is a great player so surely he can do the same?

There are different kinds of great players though.
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You have to listen to Connor Watson talk about KP to know he actually doesn't have much brain power. Freaky player when he could goosey his way through a defensive line. It'll be interesting if he actually just goes back to a supporting fullback role which he would exceed in doing. Rather then being a hybrid half.

Also his bullet passes to wingers just won't stick anymore. Both Greg and Dom have questionable hands.
 
Its unrealistic for us to look good today imo. New spine and coach etc, these things take time. They haven't had a preseason together (kaylyn has only just returned and brown admitted he hasn't had many reps with him). Brown only arrived late. The eels looked horrible last year with a new coach and ideas, same as the bulldogs 2 years ago when ciraldo started, and basically 99% of teams in the 40 years I have been watching footy stuggle until combos gel. If we decided on sandon at 7 instead of sharpe then same story imo, it takes time. I hope a few on here can admit that and not jump on a disjointed start as proof of there theories...
The only thing that may make our start to the year a little better is our defense has actually been ok under obrien and the structures may remain. It's mainly adjustments in defensive structures that make teams look crap while they learn them. We may be in games but with a disjointed attack initially?
Also, I keep hearing the guys say we are playing eyes up footy. Thats great, but realistically we are going to look like we haven't played together before today and for a while. I also cant help but think that the eyes up approach is partly because we haven't had time to train any systems or plays (with kayln and brown) and so eyes up footy is all we have available.
Anyway, cant wait for the footy to start. Im supporting my team regardless of how bad we may be this year, and with optimism for the future....
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
In all seriousness though:
- Kind of think given the roster we need to go away from structure and emphasise principles more. Focus more on moving the ball quickly and bringing players onto the ball with time and space rather than precision in running patterns. In fact I think we should look to run fewer decoy lines but make sure it’s the guys who are the best at it and they’re running with conviction. Worry more about the finer points once the basics are looking better.
-We probably leave 6-12 points out there every game due to a lack of pushing up in support, a lack of competing in 50/50 situations, etc. Stop going through the motions and start going to the game.
- Should be looking to offload a lot. Dylan Lucas, Bradman Best, Trey Mooney, Dylan Brown, Cody Hopwood and Tyson Frizell are all varying levels of good at it. Other teams don’t want to have to deal with it. Brown and Sharpe are two of the most dynamic players in the comp off the back of an offload.
- Melbourne Storm, no matter who’s in the halves, end like 60% of their good ball sets by chip bombing to a tall winger. Maybe we should consider ever doing that with the one we have who’s as tall as Michael Jordan.
- Will obviously be looking very hard at how Dylan and Fletch combine in the halves. I worry about Dylan putting the running game away with everything else that will be on his plate, and I hope Fletcher has improved a lot in how he brings men onto the ball.
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I got everything I wanted that’s crazy.
 
Owey said:
I'm trusting the new coach to get Ponga's balance right. I'm not sure the old coach's comms to Ponga last year were clear enough. 🤞🤞
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It’s one game but it felt like he did. Felt like Kalyn sweeping around the outside was the general rule but he was putting Dylan one pass wider as a variation. When AOB tried it seemed to me like Kalyn on the ball way too much. Dylan Brown had 70 touches which was highest in the team after Phoenix & is about what you’d expect from Nathan Cleary. Sandon on track for 65 if he played the full 80. Kalyn 50.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
It’s one game but it felt like he did. Felt like Kalyn sweeping around the outside was the general rule but he was putting Dylan one pass wider as a variation. When AOB tried it seemed to me like Kalyn on the ball way too much. Dylan Brown had 70 touches which was highest in the team after Phoenix & is about what you’d expect from Nathan Cleary. Sandon on track for 65 if he played the full 80. Kalyn 50.
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Yeah, i was happy with the shapes. Kalyn obviously came closer to the ruck for his kicking game but I'm ok with that. Particularly being a left footer. Happy that Brown ran the ball alot. A good first hit out.
 
Teddy credits Holbrook with the massive uptick in his form over the last couple of years and I think we got a glimpse at why. A few years back he was sort of having a similar struggle there where obviously he’s the Chooks’ best player but they weren’t finding the right balance in his involvements. I was watching them closely when it was rumoured we were going to get Sandon and they were doing a similar thing with Teddy over there where they were looking to get him challenging those wide players as much as possible but also involving him through the middle third where previously they’d use Radley. I maintain Sandon was the main one actually steering them around till Walker came back but there was a lot of clever variation in their shapes where Sandon, Teddy and Hugo would all be connecting in varying ways. Really different to how they played through the early 2020’s.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Teddy credits Holbrook with the massive uptick in his form over the last couple of years and I think we got a glimpse at why. A few years back he was sort of having a similar struggle there where obviously he’s the Chooks’ best player but they weren’t finding the right balance in his involvements. I was watching them closely when it was rumoured we were going to get Sandon and they were doing a similar thing with Teddy over there where they were looking to get him challenging those wide players as much as possible but also involving him through the middle third where previously they’d use Radley. I maintain Sandon was the main one actually steering them around till Walker came back but there was a lot of clever variation in their shapes where Sandon, Teddy and Hugo would all be connecting in varying ways. Really different to how they played through the early 2020’s.
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The trick to that is finding new looks and new ways to keep him involved. He’s come out of the blocks a few years and been found out by round 5. Not saying we won’t do that but just an observation from the past
 
Beatell said:
The trick to that is finding new looks and new ways to keep him involved. He’s come out of the blocks a few years and been found out by round 5. Not saying we won’t do that but just an observation from the past
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Yeah true. But very promising signs. In all the time AOB was head coach when did Kalyn get an opportunity like the Sandon Smith inside ball off the back of an offload? Such a basic “look” you see fullbacks like Teddy get all the time but it’s like AOB had choked it out of us.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Yeah true. But very promising signs. In all the time AOB was head coach when did Kalyn get an opportunity like the Sandon Smith inside ball off the back of an offload? Such a basic “look” you see fullbacks like Teddy get all the time but it’s like AOB had choked it out of us.
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I’ve called for the inside ball for years. When we’ve had speed like Ponga and Sharp it’s a no brainer. AOB missed plenty of tricks
 
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