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HarVeeGee13 said:
Couldn’t disagree more re: Oates and Marzhew. Corey made it as an NRL player as a teenager and, while his form has been a little up and down, he’s been an Origin-calibre winger for almost ten years basically. Marzhew has never been able to hold onto a first grade jersey due to massive holes in his game - which I wouldn’t say he’s completely ironed out, but he has improved a lot - until he came to us. He’s not even relevant as an NRL player without our intervention, so WE should reward HIM? Makes no sense.

He’ll get more money on his next contract, but the idea that a guy who’s had one good season is instantly worth a comparable amount to a guy who’s proven as a long-term NRL player kind of sums up everything wrong with how people think about this sport, and giving guys a lot of money purely because of outside noise about them is where clubs routinely go wrong.
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Yes but.... you don't pay blokes on what they once were.

Current form im taking marz everyday
 
I’m just flabbergasted that the Knights doing a bit of good business is somehow also painted as a negative. No one looked at the Storm refusing to pay big for Josh Addo-Carr and said “Uh oh guys, better stump up the cash, or you’ll lose him!”, let alone acted like he immediately needed to be paid like a star after one good season in the NRL.

The dude’s career was going nowhere and when we signed him, 3 years was widely painted as a bad call. He bit our hand off when offered that security. Now it’s apparently “unfair” if we don’t spaff $$$$ all over him? Okay does that work both ways? Can Jack Hetherington take a pay cut?
 
it's the bargain basement buys, giving back to the team over what they're being paid that make up a successful team.

No Marzhew up-grade until his last year, if he continues to perform.

I'm leaning towards the NO vote to Oates, past his prime , expecting good money and a body on the decline, get a young fella in or promote from within. The money spoken of for Oates could be better spent elsewhere.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
I’m just flabbergasted that the Knights doing a bit of good business is somehow also painted as a negative. No one looked at the Storm refusing to pay big for Josh Addo-Carr and said “Uh oh guys, better stump up the cash, or you’ll lose him!”, let alone acted like he immediately needed to be paid like a star after one good season in the NRL.

The dude’s career was going nowhere and when we signed him, 3 years was widely painted as a bad call. He bit our hand off when offered that security. Now it’s apparently “unfair” if we don’t spaff $$$$ all over him? Okay does that work both ways? Can Jack Hetherington take a pay cut?
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And who is going to giving an injury prone aging Oates 500k if we don't . Don't want to get in a bidding war with ourselves?
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
I’m just flabbergasted that the Knights doing a bit of good business is somehow also painted as a negative. No one looked at the Storm refusing to pay big for Josh Addo-Carr and said “Uh oh guys, better stump up the cash, or you’ll lose him!”, let alone acted like he immediately needed to be paid like a star after one good season in the NRL.

The dude’s career was going nowhere and when we signed him, 3 years was widely painted as a bad call. He bit our hand off when offered that security. Now it’s apparently “unfair” if we don’t spaff $$$$ all over him? Okay does that work both ways? Can Jack Hetherington take a pay cut?
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I think it's pretty harsh to say his career was going nowhere, Marzhew had consistently been doing the things he's doing now for a couple of years at the Titans albeit the frailties exposed more in a dreadful Titans outfit (as is just about everyone at the Titans). I don't recall his signing being too maligned, most people were stoked we got to trade a seemingly surplus to requirements Randall for a potential To'o clone.

As for the concern of making sure Marzhew is upgraded, I think it's more than understandable given our recent context.

Does that mean we need to go give him 500k tomorrow? No, but we've been handed a somewhat miraculous saving grace in the mist of Dom leaving by having another elite winger fall into our lap, it would be grossly negligent of the club to not push negotiations early and assure Greg of his value in the side to avoid a repeat of the situation we've just gone through.

Agreeing with those who have suggested it above, the correct path is to upgrade him (likely very significantly) before the final year of his contract. That means negotiations begin next year and if we have any spare change next season he could end up getting a slight bump early if he re-signs mid-late next season then that's fine.

All we need to do is learn from past mistakes, Greg is a player we can't afford to lose so taking reasonable steps to ensure that doesn't happen should be a priority. Otherwise we end up looking down the barrell of 500k+ for another Corey Oates in 2 years time!
 
Billy said:
A small upgrade for Marzhew, Thompson, Crossland and maybe Croker would be good business.
Not enough to break the bank, but enough to let the squad all know that effort will be rewarded.
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" a small up-grade " over 4 players has implications to the entire cap. Respectfully I disagree, at this juncture that would be poor business. Talk of up-grading a player based on 1 good season is a sure way to stuff your cap.

After sustained results over a longer period of their respective contracts then perhaps talk about up-grade.

Cheap contracts offering maximum return for minimum outlay is successful cap management.

If Dsaf , Jsaf, or Ponga put in "effort" do they get an up-grade?
 
I would be reaching out to the Dolphins to see if they would pay some freight to release Edrick back to us. Clearly out of favour, we know what we are getting, is a like for like with Dom, and with a capable backup in Tuala is probably worth the injury risk. Thoughts?
 
Area51 said:
After sustained results over a longer period of their respective contracts then perhaps talk about up-grade.
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An upgrade should always be tied to an extension. Otherwise you're handing out free money for nothing and the bloke can walk at the end of his deal anyway.

Sarge said:
I think they would agree the four mentioned deserve an upgrade .
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The deserve exactly what they signed up for. There's a reason they are on SFA at the moment.
 
Tubby said:
I would be reaching out to the Dolphins to see if they would pay some freight to release Edrick back to us. Clearly out of favour, we know what we are getting, is a like for like with Dom, and with a capable backup in Tuala is probably worth the injury risk. Thoughts?
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:lol:
 
slotmachine said:
An upgrade should always be tied to an extension. Otherwise you're handing out free money for nothing and the bloke can walk at the end of his deal anyway.



The deserve exactly what they signed up for. There's a reason they are on SFA at the moment.
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In the interest of trying to maintain team harmony I respectfully disagree
 
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Tubby said:
I would be reaching out to the Dolphins to see if they would pay some freight to release Edrick back to us. Clearly out of favour, we know what we are getting, is a like for like with Dom, and with a capable backup in Tuala is probably worth the injury risk. Thoughts?
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Think I read Edrick was still having foot issues this year
 
slotmachine said:
An upgrade should always be tied to an extension. Otherwise you're handing out free money for nothing and the bloke can walk at the end of his deal anyway.



The deserve exactly what they signed up for. There's a reason they are on SFA at the moment.
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Yeah nobody gives an upgrade for free without extending, unless you've got money left in the cap for a year that you might as well spend but that's a separate issue.

It's extremely rare that Melbourne let players they want to keep go to market (notable exception being Munster because of the Dolphins), waiting til the final 12 months of a contract is a recipe for disaster. Unless the player gets injured you're left with a bidding war that leaves you paying much more than you would otherwise if you'd just bucked up and upgraded a year earlier.

Trying to squeeze extra value out of an major unders contract is a very risky game as we know.
 
Sarge said:
In the interest of trying to maintain team harmony I respectfully disagree
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I'd suggest the single best contributing factor to "team harmony" is winning, and a major factor to winning is good cap management.

what player would you let go/not extend/ in order to offer the up-grades? the money doesn't appear out of thin air. Adjustments must be made to accommodate increased salaries, where have you identified these adjustments should take place ?
 
Owey said:
Yeah, I don't know we can replace all of what Dom does well, we are going to have to pick a couple of areas. To me, he is excellent coming off our line, great in the air and as a finisher
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For his height I actually don’t think Dom is very good in the air at all. Not a great kick target and struggles to get short dropouts and tap backs.
 
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