NSW Blues Origin Thread

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What is the rule for people like Hazem El Mazri and Former Player Lote Tuqri, they had to play for Fiji Or Lebanon when they played a reongnised test but are still alloud to play for NSW/QLD or Australia in the end Of The Year Tri Nations.

This is the same situation Aku And Wes Are in, Both are eligible for NSW. But MUST play for Fiji if there is a recongised test.

Is that right?
 
NSW's No.7 - it's the best of a bad bunch
April 13, 2008

Pity the Blues selectors when picking their halfback - a lack of depth means there's a shortlist of two, writes Phil Gould.

It seems NSW are again facing the dilemma of who to select at halfback for the coming Origin series. I'll discuss the possibilities for NSW in a moment, but I must again highlight the fact that the lack of depth in this key position for the Blues is symptomatic of far greater problems.

Basically, there is a lack of quality halfbacks in the competition. I won't even venture into the five-eighth shortage because the parlous state of affairs in the No.6 position is again a major embarrassment to our code.

Braith Anasta has been the best player in the NRL so far this season and he is clearly the best option at five-eighth for NSW. Having said that, there are very few options available in this position.

I've written many times about the lack of depth in the key playmaker positions. I've suggested forming specialised academies to aid the development of halves. You need only to look at the lack of quality juniors coming through the ranks to know there's something desperately wrong with the focus of coaching and development at the junior level.

I've seen enough to know the rules for mini and mod rugby league need to be addressed. If you watch rugby league played in the better-quality senior schools and even the prestigious junior representative competitions, the style of football being taught is not conducive to developing free-thinking and free-spirited footballers.

The coaches at these levels seem intent on duplicating NRL football and coaching their charges like an NRL team, rather than using these important years to develop skills, knowledge and ignite players' curiosity about the science of the game.

I guarantee you that if great halfbacks such as Allan Langer, Andrew Johns, Greg Alexander and Ricky Stuart were coming through the junior coaching programs today they would be nowhere near the dominant talents they were when they eventually graduated to the highest levels of the game under previous systems.

I'm not the only one raising these concerns but our pleas have fallen on deaf ears. Too costly, too difficult, too much like hard work - these excuses continue to dominate thinking, although having too few playmakers in the NRL is costing far more than we would spend on developing more players for these positions.

As it is, half our NRL teams can't score a bloody try and the other half would have no adequate replacement if their main man is injured.

Surely in a professional sport every club should have at least two or three first grade-standard halfbacks on their books and the salary cap should accommodate the cost.

I also believe the alarming shortage of genuine five-eighths in the NRL has led to a change in the way teams are constructed, rather than the argument that changes in the game have reduced the need for genuine five-eighths. It's a case of "we can't get a good one so we will learn to live without"!

If five-eighths are no longer important, why is it that No.6s such as Greg Inglis (Storm), Darren Lockyer (Broncos), Benji Marshall (Tigers), Anasta (Bulldogs) and Brad Fittler (Roosters) have all figured so prominently for premiership-winning teams in recent seasons?

If you have a good five-eighth you have a distinct edge over the rest of the field.

Yet our development of young halves and five-eighths continues to fall well short of demand.

Aarrgghh! It makes me so mad!

Anyway, back to NSW. Who should coach Craig Bellamy entrust with the responsibility of playing halfback for this year's all-important series? OK, let's round up the usual suspects.

Brett Kimmorley

Look, he's had his chances at this level and his Sharks team has not been able to score tries for the past 15 months. His kicking game is probably the most reliable of all the candidates but I think NSW need points to beat Queensland and Kimmorley is not in that sort of form. I think the Blues need a fresh approach.

Matt Orford

The push will come for this bloke from the powerful Manly connections and it must be conceded he does have a grand final appearance on his resume. On his day he can produce points - but usually in loose games against teams of inferior quality. In other words, he can get you from a 10-point lead to a 30-point lead, but the question remains: if the game is close can he deliver the right options when the pressure is on? I'm not so sure. I also believe his kicking game and his individual defence falters under pressure. If the selectors go with Orford I will not criticise the selection but if I were coaching I would look elsewhere.

Mitchell Pearce

I have liked this kid from the first time I saw him play. He has all the skills and a competitive nature that will take him a long way. In my opinion he needs two more off-seasons and another 50 first grade games under his belt and then I think we will have something really special. No need to rush this young man at this stage. He will play for NSW and Australia - just give him time.

Peter Wallace

He is promising but nowhere near seasoned enough as yet.

Todd Carney

Quite simply, no. He is talented but way too loose for a job like this.

Jarrod Mullen

Another who needs more time. Highly talented but I want to see him win first grade games consistently before he gets another go at Origin.

There's no doubt all of the above will have their admirers and genuine claims. However, if I were coaching NSW my two choices would be:

Brett Finch

He's a halfback. He is not a hooker and, while he has made a good job of five-eighth, it is not his best position. Finch has played a couple of Origins, handling himself well despite both times being brought in to cover injuries late in the preparation. He has grand final experience. He can follow a game plan. His kicking is strong and he is an aggressive little bugger who will roar at his forwards and get them going. NSW can win with him.

Kurt Gidley

I am told there is some chance he will play half for the Knights today. That interests me because I love this kid as a player and, at this stage of his career, he is ideally suited to Origin. If he is not the starting No.7 he is a certainty off the bench and can cover a variety of positions. If he plays half for the Knights today, though, I hope the selectors watch him closely.
Phil Gould - League HQ
 
I was surprised at hell when I scrolled down to see Kurt Gidley. Gould must see something in him. I wouldn't have him at starting halfback, or half-back at all. His fullback style is more suited to 5/8. Still wouldn't mind him on the bench though as a backup half if someones playing ****house.
 
The point is that Mateo can only play SoO if he makes himself available for Australia. He has to preclude himself from the decision to play for Tonga (or wherever else he may be eligible for).

Well considering he is Australian after all it doesn't surprise me that he actually wants to play for Australia.

If the ARL place a greater priority for Origin over international RL then their priorities are seriously out of kilter.

Funny that, SoO is the pinnacle of Australian Rugby League, not sure why their priorities would be with international RL.

/End of discussion, if you want to discuss it further PM me.
 
Yeah surprising to Gould to see Gidley as a possible NSW half back. He's going good at the moment though, I'd rather him just keep doing what he's doing
 
Well on Gidley's form today, I wouldn't mind seeing him play 5/8 for NSW. He's got more going for him than most if not all of the alternatives.
 
What is the rule for people like Hazem El Mazri and Former Player Lote Tuqri, they had to play for Fiji Or Lebanon when they played a reongnised test but are still alloud to play for NSW/QLD or Australia in the end Of The Year Tri Nations.

This is the same situation Aku And Wes Are in, Both are eligible for NSW. But MUST play for Fiji if there is a recongised test.

Is that right?

I have no idea! But I believe the rules have changed since El Masri played for Australia, because Farah was not allowed to play for Lebanon last year because it would make him ineligible for NSW.

Although, El Masri played for NSW last year ... perhaps El Masri has given up on playing for Lebanon? He didn't play for them in the world cup qualifiers last year, although I thought that was down to injury ...

Basically it's all a big mess, and the international league board really needs to sit down, makes some hard and fast rules and some tough decisions.
 
Well considering he is Australian after all it doesn't surprise me that he actually wants to play for Australia.

He is pledging his eligibility to Australia because it will allow him to play origin though, there is no suggestion of him playing for Australia. He played for Tonga and has played for Australia as a junior - none of us know what nationality he truly considers himself. Just because you are born in a country does not mean you consider yourself native to that country.

Funny that, SoO is the pinnacle of Australian Rugby League, not sure why their priorities would be with international RL.

I'd have said Origin was the main priority for the NSWRL and QRL, but the ARL should be more concerned with the international game.
 
Well on Gidley's form today, I wouldn't mind seeing him play 5/8 for NSW. He's got more going for him than most if not all of the alternatives.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Gidley slotting into the halves for NSW after todays game. I hope selectors was watching the game in interest (at Wallace, Buderus and Gidley).
 
I think Anasta will probably will get 5/8, which would mean if Gids got selected, it would be at 7, but i really doubt that. Wouldnt mind seeing him, but they wont risk it and put him as the main playmaker.
 
NSW Origin puzzle deepens
By Nick Walshaw | April 14, 2008 12:00am

WE'VE given it to them about banjos, bananas and cane toads, but right now Queensland are the only ones laughing.

"And I love it," Wayne Bennett grins. "To see that you're all having this argument about halfbacks and still don't know who to put there. It's great, isn't it?"


Yep, this is the story about a NSW Origin crisis now so bad, it's achieved a rugby league rarity akin to ankle boots, cardboard cornerposts and scrum wins against the feed. It's making Old Man Bennett smile.

Because another weekend of NRL footy has come and gone, with NSW selectors still no closer to choosing a halfback to wrestle that Origin shield back south of the border.

During the past three days we needed only one of seven NRL halfbacks - including Matt Orford, Brett Finch, Todd Carney, Peter Wallace, Brett Kimmorley, Jarrod Mullen and Mitchell Pearce - to sizzle and show us exactly why they should be anointed as saviour of an entire state.

We needed one. We got none. With Blues selectors left scratching their heads. Sure, there were patches of hope. Glimmers.

Finch scored a good solo try against Gold Coast, Carney led a Canberra comeback and Wallace, still favourite among bookies, set up two tries for the Broncos in arguably the most complete display. But, with Mullen still injured and only Kimmorley left to play against South Sydney tonight, no one really thrust their hand into the air and yelled, 'Pick me'.

In fact, it took a sizzling performance from Knights fullback Kurt Gidley to put a smile on the face of NSW selector Bob Fulton at EnergyAustralia Stadium.

Shifting between No. 1 and halfback, Gidley was outstanding in a beaten side and has suddenly emerged as something of a joker in the pack.

Knights skipper Danny Buderus wants Gidley in the halves. Coach Brian Smith, too. And Fulton, well, he likened the energetic utility to Queensland champion Darren Lockyer, saying simply, "He was everywhere".

"And, mate, yes, I'd certainly be up for the challenge," Gidley said last night when, in an ever-growing pack of journalists, he was asked for a third time about playing seven for the Blues. "Off the bench, fullback, halfback . . . I'll play anywhere."

North of the border, of course, the question remains not who to pick - but who to leave out. Johnathan Thurston, Scott Prince and Cooper Cronk all enjoyed starring roles on a weekend that would've had Duelling Banjos played with much gusto along Queensland riverbanks.

The Blues, of course, would love to have any of those three Maroons available. And while that won't be happening, Lockyer last night hinted to The Daily Telegraph that we may just have the next best thing.

"Because I think Peter Wallace plays a lot like Scotty Prince," the Kangaroo playmaker said. "He reads the game really well and has a strong passing and kicking game. Those are the attributes that are most important in Origin football.

"Obviously he hasn't really tested the water with his running game yet. Right now he is just doing what's required for this team which is steering us around the park. But the more confidence he gets the more he will improve."

Bennett, too, when he finally stopped smiling, said he wouldn't hesitate recommending Wallace for the Origin arena either. "It's a big occasion," the coach shrugged. "But he's old enough and good enough."

Yet speaking afterwards from inside the cramped EnergyAustralia Stadium sheds, Wallace was keen to play down all the hype of him filling that iconic jersey worn by champions Andrew Johns, Peter Sterling, Steve Mortimer, Ricky Stuart and Tom Raudonikis.

''Being named favourite, yeah that was a bit of a shock," he smiles. "But the year was only a few weeks old so I've tried not to pay too much attention to it. Tried not to read into it too much."

Of course, everyone else is. We have to. Because with no real stand-out and Origin only weeks away, this Penrith discard with red hair and rugged game seems to be more than just a back page headline for bookie Gerard Daffy, he's a real chance.

"But, mate, to be honest there hasn't been that much talk about it up here in the papers," Wallace continued. "I mean, Queensland have got more than enough halfbacks. Outside backs, too. Everything.

"And they really don't care too much about anything but Queensland. As long as they're going all right, well, I don't think they really give a stuff about the Blues."

But the Broncos boys must be giving you some stick, right?

"Nah, not really. For me, I really just want to keep improving my game. And for that I really have to thank Wayne Bennett.

"Because Wayne has already helped me with so many little things, every day there's something new. He's had a massive influence on me which has been unreal."

Wayne Bennett helping the Blues find an Origin saviour . . . now that would be something to smile about.
DT
 
So much depth, yet so little experience in the halves spot. I think that's what QLD have had over us over the past few years. Since Joey and Fittlers retirement, we've struggled to find good halves.
 
Line drawn in Blues' half battle

THE conjecture surrounding the NSW halfback position is set to continue for another week after Canberra's Todd Carney, Parramatta's Brett Finch and Newcastle's Kurt Gidley all staked a claim for the Blues' No7 jumper.

NSW coach Craig Bellamy has already declared the halfback spot as the most open position in his squad and it could take until next month's City-Country game in Wollongong before it is settled.

Finch is believed to have his nose in front given he has already played three games for NSW, including kicking a match-winning field goal in Sydney in 2006. While the Eels have not been in great touch, Finch showed his capabilities against the Gold Coast on Friday night when he kicked ahead for himself to grab a brilliant try.

Bellamy is keen to select a team on form, which has elevated Carney and Gidley, while Manly's Matt Orford, Brisbane's Peter Wallace, Newcastle's Jarrod Mullen and Sydney Roosters' Mitchell Pearce are also in the frame.

Carney was outstanding during the Raiders' win against Wests Tigers at Canberra Stadium yesterday, scoring a 70-metre try and creating four others.

He is a legitimate contender for the Country No7 jumper after coach Laurie Daley said he was after some young talent. However, he faces challenges from Finch and Mullen.

Gidley would be a certainty for the Country team but is expected to retain his place on the bench for the Kangaroos in next month's Centenary Test against New Zealand at the SCG and would not therefore be available.

Carney said he was aware of the speculation but said his focus was on trying to turn in more consistent performances for his club.

"Obviously when your name's in the mix it's in the back of your head before the game and after the game," Carney said.

"I think I'm going to copy everyone else's thoughts and say I just want to focus on the Raiders.

"Hopefully my name is still tossed around selection time and if I get the chance to play, you put your best foot forward."

Carney will get a perfect opportunity to push his claims when the Raiders host Bellamy's Melbourne at Canberra Stadium next Monday night.

"I guess you have to string a few performances together and today was a good confidence booster to take into next week," Carney said.

"Obviously we're playing against Melbourne next week and he's the coach and it would be good to make a stance there.

"As I said, I just want to play well for the Raiders and if something comes my way I'll put my best foot forward."

Canberra coach Neil Henry described Carney's display as a "mixed bag" but he expects him to come under consideration for the representative season.

"I think he's an outstanding talent and they'll look at him," Henry said.

"First step is that Laurie (Daley) might look at him for the Country side. I'm hopeful he'll get a look in there and then we'll see how he fares after that.

"There's no doubt he's a player of promise and he's set himself some goals.

"The short-term goals for him are playing well for the Raiders and then the other representative honours look after themselves."

While Carney was outstanding, Wallace and Gidley did their chances no harm at EnergyAustralia Stadium yesterday.

Wallace can further enhance his claims with a solid performance against Gold Coast halfback Scott Prince, arguably the competition's form player, on Friday night.

The wild-card is Gidley. He has played little halfback but continues to prove he is among the most versatile and brilliant players.

Asked whether he thought he could handle playing halfback at Origin level, Gidley replied: "I would like to think so. I enjoy a challenge. I'm prepared to play anywhere in those teams."

Source: The Australian

I would be happy with Gidley or Finch.
 
Would Gidley play Halfback for Country if he doesn't play for Australia?
I reckon that would be the case.
 
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