Nathan Brown discussion

We have talked about that angle on here, but for people who only read the Herald and the Knights site, the "spin" they put on Brown's contract was that he was signed forever, no questions asked.
That article will come as a bit of a shock for most Knights fans.
 
Pretty sure Gardner talked about all those terms six months ago
When first talking about the contract and then when it was sorted

- open ended
- can have the job as long as he wants, or sacked on short notice with a payout
- goes off a trust basis
- the detailed clauses are less known I don’t think anyone will ever know the full details
- bonuses for finals appearances/wins etc
- says this is how many contracts are structured including his

This is not news lol

Perhaps to casual fans or fans of other teams it may be
 
Billy said:
We have talked about that angle on here, but for people who only read the Herald and the Knights site, the "spin" they put on Brown's contract was that he was signed forever, no questions asked.
That article will come as a bit of a shock for most Knights fans.
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Funny my mum texts me yesterday saying how Brownie has been signed to open ended contract and can quit at any time, like this was news.

There are fans like us that try to soak up every piece of info we can about the team, and those who just watch them play and don't.

Of course, I set her straight that this is old news and Brownie put off signing this contract as he was working out compensation should he be sacked etc, and how if the Knights are at a point where either Brown wants to leave without notice, or we are sacking him, then it's probably for the best he goes anyway.

But yeah, nothing article.
 
Kurriboy said:
Funny my mum texts me yesterday saying how Brownie has been signed to open ended contract and can quit at any time, like this was news.

There are fans like us that try to soak up every piece of info we can about the team, and those who just watch them play and don't.

Of course, I set her straight that this is old news and Brownie put off signing this contract as he was working out compensation should he be sacked etc, and how if the Knights are at a point where either Brown wants to leave without notice, or we are sacking him, then it's probably for the best he goes anyway.

But yeah, nothing article.
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From my recollection, a lot of the delay/toing and froing was because the contract negotiations were occurring at the same time the Bulldogs were going through the Hasler contract debacle and Gardiner and Brown wanted to ensure the contract structure was capable of ensuring that sort of BS wasn't possible under this contract
 
The thing I don't get is what if the knights have a ripper of a season and suddenly Brown is in demand as a coach? The Dragons or Sharks offer him a big contract the following year. He can just slip out the back door?

All hypothetical of course. And it's not like contracts stop coaches leaving early now anyway.
 
That's it, contracts are worthless these days so it's not a big deal.

If we are going well, and we keep him happy he wont go. If he gets an offer he'd rather take up than it means he isn't committed to the Knights and we are better off parting ways.
 
Despite all of the criticism levelled at Brown over the last few seasons regarding the recruitment strategy (particularly an insanely high player turnover) he has stuck with his plan and has built the team he wants, of course with a sterling effort from Mooney.

If the results on the field begin to reflect the ability of the squad and we enter another golden period of success I would be astounded to see Brown begin to look elsewhere before savouring the fruits of his labour.

Unless Brown has a penchant for punishment and enjoys the prospect of rebuilding another club, he'll be short odds to stick out a significant chunk of his coaching career at the Knights if they become an ongoing genuine premiership contender. Wests obviously see the value in Brown as a coach, hence the nature of the deal they struck with him and would be unlikely to let him go without a fight. As long as we're successful, Brown will be paid accordingly.

The rationale of signing overs for a "supercoach" like Bennett (who is out for instant results) works for some clubs, but community-based club like Newcastle thrive under coaches who understand the culture of the town. It's fair to say that Brown is in that category.

On the flip side, if the results don't come quickly, he won't be here too long.
 
I'm fine with the coaching setup Wests have provided at the moment. None of this coaching other teams and recruiting for other teams while you're contracted to your current club nonsense. And paying out a coach for 2 years or hiring a coach two years in advance.

As Gardner said player/coach contracts will move forward this way to avoid dead money and necessary money being spent and based off the way we've been run we need it!

I would almost go as far to say is make EVERYONE's base salary the minimum wage of the NRL salary in accordance with what the projected cap figure is and then maybe guaranteed money and KPIs for games played etc and if you screw up then you lose all your bonuses and get paid the minimum wage. If you don't screw up you'll get your guaranteed money, simple.
Players would think twice before risking having alcohol in their blood while driving or going out on a bender while injured. The heavy fines are a start
 
R_A said:
I'm fine with the coaching setup Wests have provided at the moment. None of this coaching other teams and recruiting for other teams while you're contracted to your current club nonsense. And paying out a coach for 2 years or hiring a coach two years in advance.

As Gardner said player/coach contracts will move forward this way to avoid dead money and necessary money being spent and based off the way we've been run we need it!
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It sounded weird when you had terms like 'open ended/indefinite contract' being sprouted about, but it actually makes a lot of sense when you explain it like this. It probably is the future, instead of signing coaches to a set period of years, they would just sign an agreement to coach, with terms like settlements, kpis etc. agreed upon beforehand. Just like hiring any contractor to do a certain job for you. No ******** like we see in the modern game.
 
Take it with a ocean of salt but Phil Rothfield says Brown has a month to turn things around or he is in trouble. Had been some whispers there would be a review of sorts just before the origin period, which would line up.
 
slotmachine said:
Take it with a ocean of salt but Phil Rothfield says Brown has a month to turn things around or he is in trouble. Had been some whispers there would be a review of sorts just before the origin period, which would line up.
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I am glad you said ocean lol, because Rothfield has been saying Brownie is under pressure since last off-season so not surprised he is sprouting this dribble now.

Just like Kent's blogging topic today about whether Pay/Cleary are on a short leash, surprise surprise the two teams the telecrap has the biggest agenda against.
 
They throw this crap out there so if it eventually happens down the track, they trot out the old "you heard it here first" article.
Scatter Gun journalism at its best!
 
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I think kalyn ponga has played as expected this year as someone who has only played 3 games in the halves. He has missed out on the benefit of a full preseason training at fullback.

I'm fairly disappointed with the coaches call here.
 
luke46 said:
I think kalyn ponga has played as expected this year as someone who has only played 3 games in the halves. He has missed out on the benefit of a full preseason training at fullback.
I'm fairly disappointed with the coaches call here.
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People in the media towards the end of last season when it was about done were also saying for him to move to 5/8 so he can get his hands on the ball more. So don't entirely blame our coaches because as we know, the NRL and clubs seem to react off of media overreactions. There will possibly be a time where he does play 5/8 permanently but let's just enjoy his amazing skill set and athletic talents at fullback for the time being.
 
slotmachine said:
Take it with a ocean of salt but Phil Rothfield says Brown has a month to turn things around or he is in trouble. Had been some whispers there would be a review of sorts just before the origin period, which would line up.
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This will be the first and last open ended contract if true.
 
R_A said:
People in the media towards the end of last season when it was about done were also saying for him to move to 5/8 so he can get his hands on the ball more. So don't entirely blame our coaches because as we know, the NRL and clubs seem to react off of media overreactions. There will possibly be a time where he does play 5/8 permanently but let's just enjoy his amazing skill set and athletic talents at fullback for the time being.
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Maybe let him become a dominant ball playing fullback with 50-70 games of nrl footy.
Then if our roster needs it? Give him another crack at 6.

As i said a few times.
Locky played roughly
160 nrl games
6 SOO series
Plus 15 or so games for AUS
As a fullback.

Heck he won
4 GFs as a fullback,
A Clive Churchill medal,
A golden boot " worlds best player"
A World cup,
And fullback of the decade from 98-07
before Bennett was in need of a ball playing and running 6 when Locky got moved into that role.
It took 1/3 of that first year for Locky to find his feet, once he did he became one of the greats.
 
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