How long until the NRL should be expanded?

Of course the Broncos weren't happy to see Gold Coast admitted. You've gotta remember, the two main instigators of the Super League war were: 1) Bulldogs (who's CEO Peter Moore, who was also on the ARL board and was saying how Artho and Quayles were his best mates etc., then stabbed everyone in the back and signed away 50% of our game to a media organisation)

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2) Brisbane (Brisbane, being the most financially well off club in the comp, wanted to have the whole South East Queensland area to themselves. That'd meant that the South Queensland Crushers and Gold Coast Seagulls (later Chargers) were going to be eliminated. The Crushers had a very strong first season, averaging over 21,000 ppl a match, which was more than double the majority of Sydney team's average home attendances).
 
One things for sure, I know i'd support the Bears (the same amount as i support Newcastle) if they came back into the competition as well as alot of people around me would. I know alot of people who are still gutted about their departure and would love to see them back. Not sure if and when they could come back into the competition but id sure love it to be as soon as you say.

Yes. Although I'm a Knights fan through and through, I'd say that the Bears were my defacto (2nd favourite) side. I always had a soft spot for them, particially due to their affiliation with the Central Coast (which is near the Hunter). I have strong doubts over whether they'll get admitted into the comp in 2012. If News Limited do plan to leave the game in 2017 (like they said they would, 20 yrs after the formation of the NRL. However, many loopholes in the contract agreement do stand in their favour, and it'd have to take an almighty court case to p-them off from the game altogether), then I'd say the Bears would definitely get admitted by 2017 (which is when the next tv rights contract expires, so its perfect timing for another one or two teams to be admitted into the comp).

I can 100% guarantee you that the NRL will NOT regret having a side on the C.Coast. With a top class stadium (they'd be the second other team besides Cronulla, that have full ownership of their stadium), great junior base (as I said, spanning from top of the C.Coast in Warnervale, down to the lower North Shore area before the Harbour Bridge), leagues club backing from both Norths and C.Coast, they'd be probably the most well-off club out of all the Sydney teams, and it is that that the Sydney teams do see as a huge threat (imparticularly Manly. Manly is probably the most disliked and least supported club in the NRL, and they haven't been doing too well financially, also to add they play out of a crap stadium with close to no corporate facilities. Sure enough, Manly cannot be entirely blamed for Norths demise, but they definitely were the ones that put the 'icing on the cake' which sealed their fate, so to speak). The C.Coast home games against Manly and Newcastle would pack the rafters to the point where they'd probably have to erect temporary grandstands. I definitely hope I live long enough to see the C.Coast/Newcastle clashes in the future.

In response to a counter agrument that C.Coast team would impact the Newcastle Knights fan base, no, it wouldn't affect it. The Knights already have the whole Hunter region, spanning nearly 600,000 ppl.
 
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One things for sure, I know i'd support the Bears (the same amount as i support Newcastle) if they came back into the competition as well as alot of people around me would. I know alot of people who are still gutted about their departure and would love to see them back. Not sure if and when they could come back into the competition but id sure love it to be as soon as you say.

The Bears were pretty disgracefully treated by the NRL, I always thought. How was Manly able to merge with them, then ditch them and the Central Coast? Seems like it should never have been allowed to happen.
 
Id like to think that if they do come back into the NRL (which hopefully is within the next 10 years) that they will have a large support base - possibly even bigger then before. Plus there is the added feature that there will always be a good junior development system which it can pluck players from.

As much as id like to see it happen asap i think WA is first priority to get up and running in the NRL.
 
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The Bears were pretty disgracefully treated by the NRL, I always thought. How was Manly able to merge with them, then ditch them and the Central Coast? Seems like it should never have been allowed to happen.


(Analytical work)

PART 1

http://www.mightybears.com/viewtopic.php?t=2587
http://www.mightybears.com/viewtopic.php?t=2764&start=30

Those links above (from the Mighty Bears website) are external references that should answer some of your questions (along with the response I'm about to give you).

This is the 'long story' part that I was referring to in a previous post. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to do this (I also know info from ppl (at the time) that witnessed what was happening behind the scenes), but unfortunately, it was very hard to keep my emotions on this topic to myself and your question just happened to give me the courage and motivation to write all this out. This is the response to your question James, which I will answer in chronological order and sequence (important to remember, for those that don‘t know, Gallop was a lawyer for News Limited both pre and post-SL war, before he became CEO of the NRL) and for privacy reasons, a lot of peoples names in this article will be censored:

As you know, a part of the peace agreement from the Super League war was that there was going to be only 14 teams by 2000. At the end of 1998, the comp had reduced from 20 teams to 17. In 1999, with Western Suburbs and Balmain merging, and Souths being targeted as an obvious side to be kicked out of the comp (poor crowd attendances and financial problems working very well in News Limited‘s favour), that left one more team to face the dreaded axe.

Now, before the whole ‘peace agreement’ scenario arose in ‘98, North Sydney were a very prosperous team and with their strong levels of support, as well as their strong financial position, put them as one of the most strongest teams in the competition. Their Leagues Club use to own the Gold Coast Seagulls leagues club, so when the Seagulls went bust at the end of 1995 and relocated from Tweed Heads to the Gold Coast (and became rebranded under the name “Chargers”), NSLC also acquired all of the Seagulls current assets. One of the criteria of the ‘peace agreement’ was that all rugby league stadiums had to be suitable to play league at. The Bears were randomly told that North Sydney Oval was no longer suitable to play league at (90 yrs of tradition and playing there didn’t matter, according to News Ltd). So, they decided to relocate to the Central Coast (However, this turned to be a complete contradiction and oxymoron, as Souths later on in 2004, were going to play a game at NSO, and Gallop said, “Oh, how wonderful it is to see League back on the North Shore”. RORT!!!!!). This was the beginning of the end for the North Sydney Bears.

With the large junior base of the Bears (spanning from the top of the Central Coast in Warnervale to the Lower North Shore (just before the Harbour Bridge), large amount of passionate league supporters in the Central Coast, abundant financial backing for the Bears from businesses, strong Leagues Club support in both North Sydney and Gosford and a fully owned stadium at Gosford, this posed to be a huge threat for all the Sydney teams, as they knew that once the ball got rolling, the Bears would dwarf all the Sydney teams and become a major financial powerhouse in the NRL (rivalling with the Brisbane Broncos). They would’ve been by far, the best financially positioned club in NSW. In what is a long tedious process to describe (and ties in with the point I make about the ‘external administrator’), the stadium rights and corporate box lease at the ground were cut from the Football Club and dissociation of finances between the Leagues Club and Football Club occurred. This process occurred just months before the administrator was appointed, hence another goal in the plan to eliminate Norths from the comp achieved.

To cut the long story short (in regards to the process from this point, up to when the merger with Manly occurred at the end of 1999), weather then also played a major role. 1998 and 1999 were very wet and rainy years, and this severely hampered the progress of construction work at the new Gosford stadium at Grahame Park. However, to add a bit of conspiracy theory to the pot, I remember seeing a photo of the Grahame Park site, and fair dinkum, I kid you not, I didn’t even see one construction worker or tractor or crane in sight! (and the pic was taken on a beautiful sunny day). I remember saying to myself, ’How on earth will this stadium be ready in time for 1999? Whether or not there was something going on behind the scenes (in regards to the construction workers), I’ll let you be the judge.

So, all that time, the Bears were footing a multi-million dollar bill for a stadium they weren’t even using (and they weren’t able to recoup these losses through games played there, which would’ve led to the ticket sales revenue from games, which would’ve covered the loan/debt). That led to them playing home games at Homebush Stadium and even Lang Park! (which only got like 3,000 ppl at that game vs Cowboys). By then, a knife had been protruded very deeply into the back of the Bears. Although the worst was yet to come, the signs started to look very ominous. Not being able to play in Gosford (which the stadium should’ve been built in time for the 1999 season), the Bears had no where to run and no where to hide.

The culmination of these events plunged the once prosperous North Sydney Bears leagues club (NSLC) into a lot of debt, to the point where the debt wasn’t going to be recoverable. As a result of this, a so-called ‘external (neutral) administrator’ was appointed to oversee the financial situation of the Bears. This ‘external administrator’ (whose name I won’t reveal, but you will find in one of those two links above at the Mighty Bears website). Now, if you know anything about corporate finance and management, when a company goes deep into receivership, high positioned board members, who are strongly affiliated with the organisation, lose the power to make the important decisions. It is the administrator that predominantly runs the show. The adminstrator, without any hesitation at all, all of a sudden recommended the merger with Manly. This was kept hush from the Football Club members (I mentioned earlier, that the Leagues Club had dissociated themselves from the Football Club, which suited the News Limited‘s plan perfectly), as they knew they would strongly and abhorrently disapprove of this decision, to form a collaboration with their arch-rival (the Norths/Manly rivals were the most fiercest and passionate rivalries in league). If it was a vote with the FC members, it’d be 100% in favour of Norths remaining as a single entity. However, the adminstrator had other plans of his own (which then also raises the question of whether he was supposedly ‘neutral’).

Across the other side of the Northern part of Sydney (the Northern Beaches), Manly weren’t doing too well either. After the ARL/SL war was over and a salary cap was reintroduced, Manly lost a lot of personel and top players; personel that had been grossly paid into the hundreds and thousands of dollars (eg Scott Fulton, who was virtually on the same amount as players like Andrew Johns were on, yet was only a reserve grade player), as well as top players (e.g. Terry Hill, Mark Carroll, David Gillespie, Jim Sedaris and the list goes on). Their crowd attendances started to wane and as a result, they started to lose a lot of money. However, years earlier, a deal was made with a former CEO (who was also a former Manly player) and News Ltd, that if he exited the game as CEO, Manly would not be shafted when it came to the process of culling teams. So, by this info, it is safe to assume that this person had foreknowledge of the possible events that were going to unfold.

With Manly teethering on the brink of trying to stay above the water, and only weeks away from being in a worse position than Norths……….BINGO!!!!! The offer for the Joint-Venture from Norths emerged. Manly took it, and also, in the process, obtained the NRL license during the Northern Eagles reign (meaning that if the Joint Venture busted, the Sea Eagles got the license and Norths would be left out in the cold). They obtained the license because the NRL told Norths that they didn’t have the resources to bid for the license. However, as you know, Manly weren’t that far from really being in the red. Also interesting to note, Joint Ventures didn’t have to meet the ’peace agreement’ criteria. To the majority at the time who claimed that Manly were the more superior side (in terms of position), if Manly were so superior, then why did they form a Joint Venture with a financially struggling side? Answer: Go figure! Join all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, it all adds up to one common denominator.
 
PART 2

I remember (as I was going to go to school at Gosford at the time), everyone was soooooooooo excited about the Bears. The Bears were the talk of the town in Gosford. There were ads up everywhere for them, they made appearances and promotions at primary schools and high schools on the Central Coast. It would even give some Knights supporters commitment to the Knights a run for the money. However, when the term “Northern Eagles” emerged, the Coasties became very confused. “Who the hell are the Northern Eagles? I was expecting to see the Bears” was the quote of one person I remember hearing on talk-back radio at the time. But, what was going to be more sad was the fact that the Bears were never going to play a single match a stadium they spent a lot of money on. There was also a newspaper cartoon of a man with an invisible Manly Sea Eagles jersey on, saying to people, “HELLO! Welcome to the Northern Eagles”. I didn’t want to believe that was true, but it didn’t take long for the truth to be revealed.

Now, as I mentioned earlier, Norths and Manly were bitter rivals. I am going to use an analogy to demonstrate this next point I’m about to make: Say you are in a business partnership with someone. On paper, you own 50%, he owns 50%. But, there is a clause in the contract that says if the partnership dissolves, you get 100% and he get 0%. And, at the same time, you absolutely hate this person you are in the partnership with, and have done so for a long time. Would it not make sense to try and do everything you can to sabotage the whole partnership (remember, you hate this person), so that it will completely disintegrate, and you get everything (and he gets nothing)? Well, that was the case with the Northern Eagles. As I mentioned earlier, Manly always held the license. Well, as most of you that are old enough to remember know, the Eagles initially appeared to be a match made in Heaven, only to explode and the leftover pieces of shrapnel from the carnage scattered all over the place. The first 3 crowds of the Eagles at Gosford got sellouts, and everything was so wonderful and beautiful. But, only a couple of months into the venture, it appeared increasingly apparent that the Northern Eagles was nothing more than a wolf (Manly) in sheeps clothing (Northern Eagles/North Sydney/Central Coast). In Round 4 ,2000, when the Eagles ran out onto the field in the Maroon and White jersey, the suspicions and worst nightmares of those who were sceptical of the supposed 50/50 nature of the joint venture were confirmed. To put the issue beyond doubt, during the first season, virtually all the North Sydney players were shafted from the squad and so were the coach and management staff. It JUST HAD TO BE ALL MANLY! Now, within 12 months of going down the gutter, it was MANLY now that was laughing all the way. As a part of the joint venture, being the team that held the license and was still solvent, Manly were the ones that got to use and spend the millions that North Sydney Leagues Club were putting into the JV, and there was only one more piece of the puzzle that had to be fulfilled for Manly to permanently go back to Brookvale Oval.

At the end of the first year of JV, Gosford had higher crowds than Brookvale Oval. There was talk at the time of the Eagles permanently relocating to the Central Coast. However, if you read earlier, that was never going to happen, due to the ‘deal’ that was done 3 yrs earlier by a well known former Sea Eagle (now living a luxurious life on the Gold Coast, I believe).

By 2001 (the Eagles 2nd year as JV), constant in-board fighting between the Manly and North Sydney factions of the joint venture led to many board meetings going well into the early hours of the morning. Constant acrimony, bitterness and sadness of the events which had unfolded left many a Central Coast fan disillusioned. Sea Eagles fans on the Northern Beaches also felt disillusioned; like their IDENTITY had been taken away from them. Well, after racking up millions of dollars in debt at the conclusion of the 2nd year, the Northern Eagles partnership dissolved, and the license was back at Manly. In the beginning of 2002, Manly still kept playing games at Gosford (because of the money that came with it, via NSLC, as mentioned earlier) and still kept playing under the “Northern Eagles” name, due to sponsorship and merchandise commitments. But, after three very woeful crowd attendances at Gosford, ‘the writing was on the wall’ and the people of the Central Coast had finally got the message (about the true nature of the so called ’joint venture’) and were no longer going to be deceived by what had been really going on. All that was needed was John Singleton (owner of the Gosford stadium) to kick them out of the Coast and issue a threat to purchase all tickets there, so they’d have to play matches in an empty stadium, to officially land the Sea Eagles back at Brookvale Oval, to the roars and massive applauses of Sea Eagles fans. They had finally got their team back, Norths were cruely screwed over, and with Manly seeking major sponsorship and privitisation from property developer Max Delmege, that all but secured the Sea Eagles long-term future.

So, there it is. The major contributing factor to Norths demise was Super League (or News Limited (as what they are refered to post-SL war), same thing), in regards to the criteria. Then there was the weather, then the debarkle with the administrator (again, tied in with News Limited. Norths were targeted for the reasons I’ve already explained), and then, to rub insult into injury and put the icing on the cake which sealed the deal, the Manly Sea Eagles. Manly chose to go into the merger, because Manly were on the verge of ending up like Norths, so they went into a JV with them (knowing that they held the license, and also all the trump cards that came with it), took the money that came with it (from NSLC) during the ‘stability period’ so that when the JV did dissolve, not only would they get their team back, but have enough money to get them through the succeeding 12 months before Max Delmege came on board. Northern Eagles was always going to be disasterous from day 1. It was like mixing oil and water together, given the bitter nature between the two rivals. The two rivals were then all of a sudden married to each other. NEVER GOIN' TO LAST!

The North Sydney Bears does rate as one of the biggest corporate frauds in the history of Australia. All the criteria that was set and all the obstacles that were set to bring Norths down were in complete contrary to the Trade Practises Act. Everything I wrote above is the reason why I hope in the near future that the Bears will once again be a force in the NRL
 
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PART 3: The aftermath

Now, I can’t leave this topic without mentioning this very vital piece of information. As you all remember, in 2004, there were talks of admission of a 16th team in the NRL: Central Coast Bears, Gold Coast and Wellington. Central Coast clearly had all bases covered: had stadium, juniors, support, financial backing, everything. If you scrummage through one of those two links from Mighty Bears.com or look throughout that website, you’ll find there is an article from David Gallop at the time, who said, “Admission of the Bears would be good for the game. It’d heal the last remaining wound from Super League”. However, at the last minute, when it came to the decision making, Gallop says, “The game is not in a position to expand to 16 teams”.

Less than a YEAR LATER, after that, out of the blue, “Congratulations, Gold Coast Titans. You are the 16th team in the comp”. Majority of league supporters looked very confused, saying, “Where the heck did that announcement came from?”. However, there was a comment I remember reading from someone, saying that in 2004 (just before the announcement was made), someone met John Sattler at Coolangatta airport and he apparently told them that the reason why there was no decision made on expansion, was to give the Gold Coast time to get their Skilled Park stadium approval from the QLD government for their bid, so they could get admitted. When I read that at the time, I couldn’t believe what I had just read and couldn’t believe how such a huge rort could take place. Now, I’m not so sure.

Also, not to mention, after '97 (when Bears made decision to head to the Coast), Neil Whittaker promised the Bears a license on the grounds of being a 'regional team'. Two years later, Australia had supposedly changed so dramatically to the point where the Coast was now classified as a PART OF SYDNEY!! RORT!

In conclusion, I'm sorry that the 3 posts I've posted have been long, I admit. Its a lot of reading to get through. However, not to worry. I'm very happy James asked me that question. For many years, I was actually thinking of doing Law. It's very sad to see how such a rort to the nth-degree can occur. To also think that a team that use to get over 20,000 ppl at North Sydney Oval for big matches, now only gets nothing more than a few hundred for 3rd or 4th-grade matches. In 1994, Norths averaged 15,116/home match and Manly averaged 14,860/home match (a combined average of 29,976 for the whole North of Sydney). Last year, Manly averaged 15,085/match (a combined average of 15,085 for the whole North of Sydney). Now, you CAN'T tell me that the exclusion of Norths from the comp has been beneficial in any aspect at all. Sadly, the C.Coast will be deemed as a 'missed opportunity' and another case of 'what may have been'.
 
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I don't think we should be saying to merge clubs anyway. They are all proud clubs in their own right, and probably wouldn't want to be interfered like that. I know I wouldn't like it if the Knights were told to merge with another club (I know we are from the Hunter region and there is no possibility).
 
Well, I do remember all that happening, it was more a a rhetorical question. It shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
 
It would be cool if the salary cap was raised in the future so they could have a bigger squad of superstars!!! Imagine If teams played games midweek??? & all teams played on a home & away basis!!!
 
It would be cool if the salary cap was raised in the future so they could have a bigger squad of superstars!!!

The salary cap will eventually be raised once clubs can afford to.

But with an increase in salary cap the players end up asking for more money, so then your back to square one.
 
yeh and also there wouldnt be enough superstars to go around. There really isnt many atm, even when u take into account the ESL aswell. Might be able to make a few teams of superstars but then it would take away the evenness of the comp.
 
Man raise the cap. Anything to stop players leaving to the ESL. Thats what the NRL should be looking at.

Some clubs struggle financially as it is, so essentially you would just putting them under more financial stress, now if the NRL wants to expand the current clubs need to be able to survive financially.

I don't think alot of high quality players leave for ESL anyhow, besides it helps the growth of Rugby League on a global basis.

The thing I would be more concerned about is players going to Rugby Onion or some other "rival" sport.

Just my thoughts though, but the cap will be raised in due time.
 
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