Brett Finch arrested.

Billy said:
Not the way it works.
He is innocent till proven guilty, and if you want to say the opposite on a public forum, he could sue you and the forum if he wanted to - and if enough people declare him guilty before trial to a point where an unbiased jury can't be found, it's perfectly possible they could let him off because he can't get a fair trial.
You don't have the right to set yourself up as judge, jury and executioner - but you can pile on all you like if he is found guilty - and think what you like if he isn't, but not say it publicly.
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Hmm yep Jack de Belin has been suing the hell out of people who maintained that he definitely did rape that girl. It’s notable how many people he’s sued over that.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Hmm yep Jack de Belin has been suing the hell out of people who maintained that he definitely did rape that girl. It’s notable how many people he’s sued over that.
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He could if he wanted to, although most people in the real press save themselves by always saying allegedly - and those on forums are too poor to sue.
Alan Jones is always worth sueing, and plenty of people have made a tidy sum out of him.
 
No I’d say de Belin wouldn’t, because the last thing he wants is for the facts of that case to then be relitigated at a civil standard…
 
Or like Billy said, he most likely believes most things said on a forum are by people who don’t have enough wealth to even bother to sue for.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Who said this?
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HarVeeGee13 said:
An acquittal or dismissal of charges does not, in fact, mean the person was “innocent”. It just means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict. A very important distinction.
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Not a long bow to draw with my statement.

You don't appear to entertain much thought that maybe they didn't actually do whatever the charge says! "It just means there wasn't enough evidence to convict". Cops don't ever charge people with crimes in error surely!
 
Kurriboy said:
Not a long bow to draw with my statement.

You don't appear to entertain much thought that maybe they didn't actually do whatever the charge says! "It just means there wasn't enough evidence to convict”. Cops don't ever charge people with crimes in error surely!
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So I only put my two cents in because Billy felt the need to remind everyone of the “guilty till proven innocent” principle, which annoys me because I find it condescending. Everyone knows about this!

He then replied with a very long lecture about the history of the legal system. I’ll be honest, that annoyed me lol.

But now you’ve said something where I don’t know how to respond to it outside offering a lecture of my own about what “beyond reasonable doubt” means in criminal convictions. I’m gonna try to avoid doing that.

Think of all the people charged with crimes in this country. Cut off a big slice for the acquittals or dropped charges where the person actually did not do it. Now cut off another big slice, that’s the convictions where the person wasn’t guilty. Now cut off another slice which is a bit smaller than the others but still a reasonable size. That’s the instances where the person definitely did do it, but for whatever reason, it just couldn’t be proven.

Now cut a tiny little sliver. That’s the false convictions.

And that’s even leaving aside instances where a criminal complaint was made but the police didn’t think there was enough evidence to charge someone. In this case we’re talking about a way bigger pie than the other one. Way, way bigger.

I’m by no means a cop lover, there’s huge problems with racial profiling and all that and in many instances they’re just out to serve moneyed interests rather than normal people, cracking the heads of protesters and all that. But the reality is they do pour a lot of resources into their sting operations and don’t tend to muck them up very often. I agree that he is not guilty of anything until a verdict is passed - we all know how it works - but if he was my best friend and he got pinched in one of these, let me put it this way, he wouldn’t ever be babysitting my kids…
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
An acquittal or dismissal of charges does not, in fact, mean the person was “innocent”. It just means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict. A very important distinction.
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Okay look I can see the phrasing isn’t entirely clear and I hope I’ve clarified it above but TLDR: it’s not a “convicted therefore guilty, acquitted therefore innocent” binary. That’s what I was saying here. Not that every single person who ever was tried and acquitted was secretly guilty. But it’s definitely true that someone committing a serious crime and getting away with it is way, way more common than a wrongful conviction.
 
HarVeeGee13 said:
Okay look I can see the phrasing isn’t entirely clear and I hope I’ve clarified it above but TLDR: <snip>
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I get it, I just think it is a poor position to take that if a person is charged with a crime they did it, even if never convicted and it's a very common situation.

Especially with well known people. Mud sticking and all that.

I get that isn't your meaning and thats fair also.
 
at least he will dry out/detox in jail, or he could get worse(jail currency😉) he Has had better opportunities than most, and more than likely rejected help on multiple occasion…..he deserves every year he gets…
 
Captain Planet said:
at least he will dry out/detox in jail, or he could get worse(jail currency😉) he Has had better opportunities than most, and more than likely rejected help on multiple occasion…..he deserves every year he gets…
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I don’t think there’s a great recovery rate for people with these types of urges, if I’m remembering the research I’ve read correctly. He will definitely have a heap of restrictions if he is given a custodial sentence and is eventually released.
 
This is disturbing in many ways, we seen the Sony PSN guy get busted wearing a PS5 shirt now this.

A friend of mine is in prison for the same charge, he actually was convinced to take the deal by his solicitors as the legal and technically mumbo jumbo apparently could go 50/50... so 1 year in prison or potentially 20...

He swears he did nothing wrong, they raided his house twice this went of for four years since he was charged (covid delays).

The system isn't designed to punish the guilty, sometimes they just need to justify the money spent any anyone behind bars is good enough.

Now do I trust my mate? I've never seen him look at a young girl, not even ones that are old enough (he is 24) but would i trust him around my own daughter? Probably not....

I mean people still think MJ is guilty and innocent the truth is always only ever known by a small number of people.

Finch has a bad bad drug problem and it seems to me getting him on these shows was to help him, but its not enough...

He is always off his face and fried on live TV...

This will take ages before we get any answers if any
 
I don’t think there’s any link between having a substance abuse problem and having these kinds of urges. And I really don’t like the way some media outlets are framing this. “Troubled rugby league star’s life spirals out of control”. Yeah no, get lost. Becoming a sexual predator isn’t a side-effect of cocaine FFS.
 
Brett finch pleads guilty
 

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Firstly - fully with you on this HarVeeGee and throw the book at them where they have irrefutable proof and they admit guilt is all I can say....

But I've got to say that we still need the checks and balances in place through the whole process because(as you highlighted) there is still that small slither of cases that means we need to apply due diligence and hope the process gets it right in the end....that the police got to the point they did in this instance below and what they did to this family still throws up that red flag that there is that bizarre 1% that deserves a system that protects them as well

 
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