Adam O'Brien replacement?

Les Misérables said:
Agree.

The proposition isn't whether we're guaranteed immediate improvement by swapping coaches. It's whether the status quo is acceptable. The reason it is unacceptable to me is purely because there is so limited upside.

We can't get any worse, so where's the risk? The only risk I can see is in keeping the current coach.
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Yes. Agree.
 
Les Misérables said:
Agree.

The proposition isn't whether we're guaranteed immediate improvement by swapping coaches. It's whether the status quo is acceptable. The reason it is unacceptable to me is purely because there is so limited upside.

We can't get any worse, so where's the risk? The only risk I can see is in keeping the current coach.
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This logic has just convinced me that Obi has to go.

I honestly couldn't see us get any worse.
 
If he is to go, and I still don't think it is likely this season, but if he is to go, it has to be part of an overall reassessment of where we are heading, what is acceptable at the club.

Punting the coach and lobbing another one in then sitting back and seeing what they do isn't going to cut it.

The club from the top down has to have clear direction and drive for what they want.

That has to be a no compromise, no excuses, nothing less than 100% effort focus from every member of the squad and organisation.

Select a coach that is going to drive that ethos and give them the backing and support to do it. No tip toeing around egos, no this is where we are at the minute.

Perform to an acceptable standard or your in reggies. I'd rather the club implode with players quitting and walking out vs what they are doing now. Let them go, then hire players that want to work, and come here knowing the retirement home is closed. You're coming here, you're coming here to work and work bloody hard.
 
Kurriboy said:
Eaxctly, THAT is the attitude of a winner. I don't think Bellamy is a great coach, not tactically. What he is, is a hard task master that will not accept 90%. And here we are accepting way less. See him in the coaches box blowing up when the team is leading by 30 but someone is doing something stupid on field. Winner! He reportedly gives players a simple role and makes them stick to it. He lets his talented players play the game their way and facilitates the team to work to take advantage of those strengths. The Melbourne system isn't a set way to play, it's just he identifies what players are his strengths, give them the freedom to play what they see, and gets the rest of the squad doing their jobs. Forwards go forward, dominate. Backs be ready to support any break made by the creative palyers. And the creative players, be confident in your skills and try things! The team will be there to support you.

He isn't in there telling Munster ok play 3 we are here on field I want you to do this. Munster himself said he doesn't know what he is going to do next. He doesn't have an Xbox controller up in the box running players around the field! He lets them play what they see, and he trusts them to see what to play. The rest of the team does everything they can to support them and make those chances happen!

And your not wrong that the cohesion thing is a thing. There does seem to be a sentiment from some that if we stay together with the same spine, same players and same coach we will get better. Whilst I think cohesion does play a role, for us it is not the answer. When we hired OB, the one thing I was praying he brought here from both Melbourne and the Roosters is that drive, that not accepting mediocrity attitude. He hasn't.
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We were all were praying for that, believe me.
 
packo said:
I feel like AOB has gone from talking a big game etc, blow up, throwing drink bottles to now, cuddling the players and making excuses.

I always get the sense that the players get in the mindset of it being the coaches fault too, same type of players that look to the ref to help them instead of playing the whistle. I think AOB theories are good, but the actual cattle out there are not suited to it.

The first player I’d be looking to bring in is someone to tell KP exactly what everyone is thinking, the club still talks him up and there is no mention of his endless lazy clean up work at the back.

People like Ennis, Gallen have always called him out, and that’s the sort of player we need, unfortunately I can’t think who that would be?
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I said this some time ago and that Is exactly where I think we have been screwed over.

****heads called him out on It In the media and then he told them that he would be getting a "Emotions Coach" to get that part of his coaching out of It.

Did anyone talk about Bellamy when he blew up In the coaches box and tell him he can't do that?
 
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Joshhh said:
Poor old Gags must be thinking gee what a basket case. I remember a video in pre-season this year where he's talking about his homecoming and how he wants to help the team get to the next level to repay the fans for all the rough years he was involved in. He leaves a ****show at the Knights, goes away for a couple years to Souths, has a great time, plays finals every year and a GF, then comes back into a ****show again.
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Only bloke I actually feel sorry for In the entire organisation.
 
Rupert Murdoch said:
I said this some time ago and that Is exactly where I think we have been screwed over.

****heads called him out on It In the media and then he told them that he would be getting a "Emotions Coach" to get that part of his coaching out of It.

Did anyone talk about Bellamy when he blew up In the coaches box and tell him he can't do that?
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And that in itself is the problem for AOB......do you think Bellamy would ever bend over and change his ways because the flops in the media called him out.

If you need an emotions coach, I'm sorry but coaching isn't your gig. I want to see the coach losing his **** and having a blow up, I love seeing it when Bellamy does it .

Nothing better than seeing Bellamy in the coaches box leading by 30 and having a blow up, sets the standards and shows he won't settle with just winning.
 
Somebody mentioned ”tip toeing” well it’s time to tell Ponga to stop “tip toeing” and start playing, you are a f/b or a half play according to the number on your back.
Obi’s number one priority is get himself and Ponga on same page then fix the other 99 problems
 
Personally don’t care what the coach does in the coaches box, and I don’t think constantly yelling and going nuts against the players is a good idea either. Can you see Cleary or Bennett doing it? And Bellamy doesn’t either according to his players.
 
we have chopped and changed our squad as much as anyone this year tbf. the club made a **** poor decision to let the starting half go with no replacement, when they realised they fkd up the tried to change our structure to play through the middle through mann and brailey, Brailey being the main man in attack (probably the smartest way to approach it) we then lost brailey and our only backup was a tackle bot hooker. the roster was known to have no quality depth before a ball was kicked and we have been found out big time. this falls squarely on club management. the club very well may be looking at coaching options behind the scenes but punting a coach now and expecting it to fix our issues is ludacris.

Gardner pushing Brennan out the door to me shows this issue runs alot deeper then the head coach, but like most clubs he may be the fall guy.

The club taking a punt on another rookie coach isnt the answer either imo.
 
I dont buy in to the thinking that if Pearce was still here all would be rosy, or even better.

He was average and towards the end Hodkinson level ordinary. Letting him go was the right call.

Unfortunately we didnt get a decent half in to replace him, but its not like our issues will be fixed by recruiting a half.

We could recruit Nathan Cleary and still suck with how our organisation functions. Cleary is playing in a team where everyone is pushing their hardest, here he would join a team where it appears bludging is ok, not hitting your assignment is ok.

If we cant fix those issues no halfback is going to matter.

Drop Lewis Hamilton in to HAAS and he isn't winning races anymore. The environment must be right to enable that winning culture. Here, it just isn't.
 
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Kurriboy said:
I dont buy in to the thinking that if Pearce was still here all would be rosy, or even better.

He was average and towards the end Hodkinson level ordinary. Letting him go was the right call.

Unfortunately we didnt get a decent half in to replace him, but its not like our issues will be fixed by recruiting a half.

We could recruit Nathan Cleary and still **** with how our organisation functions. Cleary is playing in a team where everyone is pushing their hardest, here he would join a team where it appears bludging is ok, not hitting your assignment is ok.

If we cant fix those issues no halfback is going to matter.

Drop Lewis Hamilton in to HAAS and he isn't winning races anymore. The environment must be right to enable that winning culture. Here, it just isn't.
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i think your underestimating the loss of both pearce and brailey, doesnt fix the issues that run through the club entirely but we would certainly have more wins on the board. both those players are leaders and leaders drive winning culture.
recruiting a half and a fit hooker go along way to fixing our issues with ball in hand, and playing off the front foot which in turn has us defending deep in the oppisition half instead of teams starting their sets on their 30 or 40.
 
EASBay17 said:
i think your underestimating the loss of both pearce and brailey, doesnt fix the issues that run through the club entirely but we would certainly have more wins on the board. both those players are leaders and leaders drive winning culture.
recruiting a half and a fit hooker go along way to fixing our issues with ball in hand, and playing off the front foot which in turn has us defending deep in the oppisition half instead of teams starting their sets on their 30 or 40.
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Brailey sure, Pearce nah.

He may not have been quite to Hodkinson standards, that bit was deliberately exaggerated but not too far away. Catch and pass man.

Anyway, we have the squad to get ourselves competitive. We have a quality pack, we have Clifford who if he was still putting in those spiral bombs with heaps of height we get our D under them and shut down kick return runs.

We have plenty of strike if we utilise it correctly.

Point I'm making is those existing senior players, the leadership squad, need to have another player to come in and still amazingly, show them how it's done and motivate them! If thats the case no matter who comes in, we will always be middle table or worse.
 
we need a half! in the last 10 years the premiers have had atleast 1 origin player in the halves, bar the 2014 rabbits who featured keary n reynolds which is quality in itself and reynolds non selection was even debated at the time when hodkinson was picked over him.
we wont ever really be competetive without a quality half.
I dont buy that our squad isnt motivated to perform, you just cant win games off the back foot and thats exactly how we play with no hooker getting our forwards on the front and no half getting us to where we need to be.
 
Not saying we don't need a half. We certainly do.

But there is far too much we need "this" to be competitive. Apparently we need to wait for Brailey to come back and then we will be competitive, or once we get a quality half then we will be competitive, maybe changing the coach will get us competitive, or just have to wait 2 more years when the Safs will be in their prime and then, finally, we will be competitive. Get our junior pathways sorted so we can be competitive, or maybe get OB the right support staff in and then, be competitive.

It's bollocks.

I'm not right now interested in winning a GF. That at the moment is a laughable goal to focus on as we just are not even close.

I'm interested in being a competitive unit every week. No matter who we play, be able to look at the result no matter the score and know the team gave it their best shot. Be proud of the effort!
 
The problem as I see it that the coach can't solve any of our problems in the halves and that is what he is paid to do regardless of who he has at his disposal. Surely out of Clune, Clifford, Crossland, Hoy and Milford he can come up with halves combination that works, that is his job.
 
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