2025 Recruitment And Retention

It’s a strange situation where people on both sides of that fence are correct. Yes he signed a contract promising him X amount of dollars and yes he is entitled to it as it’s the deal Newcastle agreed to at the time. However, the fans and I’m sure the club have the right to feel jilted by it all as he’s more often than not very disappointing. Considering we know where he could be as he’s shown it before, hence the heavy deal.
Unfortunately this is a club error, DSaf was never worth what we are paying him, close but likely a bit less and the length of contract as a player matures has to come into consideration, Taumalolo for Cowboys is prime example, how they play is irrelevant as the money goes into the bank account and they can cruise, but get the money while other play strong strive to get better while paid around half, you can hire but you can’t fire
 
Unfortunately this is a club error, DSaf was never worth what we are paying him, close but likely a bit less and the length of contract as a player matures has to come into consideration, Taumalolo for Cowboys is prime example, how they play is irrelevant as the money goes into the bank account and they can cruise, but get the money while other play strong strive to get better while paid around half, you can hire but you can’t fire
He was an elite front rower playing origin to be fair. The top five front rowers in the game are on a million plus
 
I think DSaf has every right to get paid his full contract amount. He doesn’t owe the club anything
The club didn't agree to pay him $850k because we like him as a person. The contract offering infers a value proposition on the part of the player. The benefit of a contract being that the player isn't contractually obliged to live up to the perceived value but the benefit doesn't extend to how that player should be treated should they fall horribly short of that agreement.

I can cop players being injured or losing form with age or even them losing the appetite for health risk but the idea that he would play like trash for 2-3 years of the 4 year contract then turn about a temporary showing of form only after he's been asked to leave and once another team shows interest he refuses a 100k pay cut in the final year of his lop-sided contract demonstrates to me that he's the sort of person we don't want at the club. And these character traits are probably the reason he under performed the last few years while we needed him most.
 
He was playing better than he is now.
He was never elite.
Knights paid him on potential and he went the opposite way.
We drew him up as a 8.5-9/10 prop, when in reality he was only ever a 7.5-8/10.

Except for Origin where he suddenly became a 9/10 prop despite playing in considerably more difficult conditions.

He's not the guy we want at our club
 
We drew him up as a 8.5-9/10 prop, when in reality he was only ever a 7.5-8/10.

Except for Origin where he suddenly became a 9/10 prop despite playing in considerably more difficult conditions.

He's not the guy we want at our club
Another key factor that people are missing is that the current salary cap rules require clubs to spend a minimum of 95% of their cap every year. So even if you can't attract decent talent, you have to spend it somewhere. It means clubs fall in the trap of paying overs for players that don't deserve it, making it harder to sign quality players later on. It's the worst salary cap rule and really favours the teams already on top.
 
O'Brien was pretty clear in the pre-game presser that he wants Jones to stay and Jones wants to stay - but then said it was for other people to sort out.
In the Toohey article he said Dolphins have shown some interest in Jones, but quoted Jones as saying he wasn't sure how serious they were.
I'd like to think that means he's likely to stay at a reasonable price, unless someone offers him crazy money or something.
 
O'Brien was pretty clear in the pre-game presser that he wants Jones to stay and Jones wants to stay - but then said it was for other people to sort out.
In the Toohey article he said Dolphins have shown some interest in Jones, but quoted Jones as saying he wasn't sure how serious they were.
I'd like to think that means he's likely to stay at a reasonable price, unless someone offers him crazy money or something.
He sat in the shop window all of last season until the Knights gave him a bargain bin 1 year deal after other plans fell through. Now he’s in the same position again and it seems his strongest lead is some vague interest from the Dolphins that he’s not even sure of. Evidently you believe in him a lot more than recruitment managers across the NRL do.
 
He was playing better than he is now.
He was never elite.
Knights paid him on potential and he went the opposite way.
I never saw Chief, Butts or even Josh Perry hang around behind the play set after set like I saw DSaf last Sunday. There were many supporters around me calling for him to have a go.
He certainly doesn’t look injured, even looks promising in the warm up. He has 1 or 2 decent runs, then disappears.
No wonder the fans have had a gutful.
 
He sat in the shop window all of last season until the Knights gave him a bargain bin 1 year deal after other plans fell through. Now he’s in the same position again and it seems his strongest lead is some vague interest from the Dolphins that he’s not even sure of. Evidently you believe in him a lot more than recruitment managers across the NRL do.
But there is no denying that Brodie is a much bigger, faster and stronger player this year than last. Last weekend he looked like a good first grader.
 
But there is no denying that Brodie is a much bigger, faster and stronger player this year than last. Last weekend he looked like a good first grader.
I’m sure if Brodie went to a club with a good coach and system, he would be a good consistent first grade player.
 
The club didn't agree to pay him $850k because we like him as a person. The contract offering infers a value proposition on the part of the player. The benefit of a contract being that the player isn't contractually obliged to live up to the perceived value but the benefit doesn't extend to how that player should be treated should they fall horribly short of that agreement.

I can cop players being injured or losing form with age or even them losing the appetite for health risk but the idea that he would play like trash for 2-3 years of the 4 year contract then turn about a temporary showing of form only after he's been asked to leave and once another team shows interest he refuses a 100k pay cut in the final year of his lop-sided contract demonstrates to me that he's the sort of person we don't want at the club. And these character traits are probably the reason he under performed the last few years while we needed him most.
There were also a couple years where his form peaked just before origin time. This season, there was a clear change in form when tapped on the shoulder. I'm sorry but i don't want a player hanging around on 850K if they prioritise self gain over sustained team success. I know it wouldn't rub some of the players right when he said if he were leave it would be to go to a better team. Bud, you've been performing at about half your contract's worth for years now.
 
I’m sure if Brodie went to a club with a good coach and system, he would be a good consistent first grade player.
Whilst I really hope we keep Brodie as part of our top 30 mix based on where he has lifted his game to this year, I think he would absolutely thrive in a system like the Storm and would likely be equivalent, if not potentially better than what Josh King delivers for them now. He is just the sort of player that Bellamy gives a clearly defined role to and then gets maximum value out of them as a selfless team contributor.

Every NRL team needs those reliable and consistent journeyman first grade standard forwards, with a good motor that can get into the trenches and bleed for his mates and not be too big a drain on the cap...and as a local, I think he is also a good fit with the culture we want to build upon at the Knights
 
Another key factor that people are missing is that the current salary cap rules require clubs to spend a minimum of 95% of their cap every year. So even if you can't attract decent talent, you have to spend it somewhere. It means clubs fall in the trap of paying overs for players that don't deserve it, making it harder to sign quality players later on. It's the worst salary cap rule and really favours the teams already on top.
I agree, a rule put in place by the rlpa to make sure the money set aside for players actually flows to the players, but does make it very hard for the have nots to climb out of that.

A lot of clubs get in trouble with back loaded contracts and we are currently one from the looks of it. And how often do you hear that the guys clubs want to move on are the ones with back ended deals?

If I was rebuilding a roster I'd have no backended deals. When you have money for a big fish or two sometimes players worth that much aren't available. The smart thing to do is to have clauses to conditionally front end contracts of other guys, so instead of soaking up the big money by overpaying players, you are paying them the same over the course of their contract but leaving money aside for when the stars come along.
 
I agree, a rule put in place by the rlpa to make sure the money set aside for players actually flows to the players, but does make it very hard for the have nots to climb out of that.

A lot of clubs get in trouble with back loaded contracts and we are currently one from the looks of it. And how often do you hear that the guys clubs want to move on are the ones with back ended deals?

If I was rebuilding a roster I'd have no backended deals. When you have money for a big fish or two sometimes players worth that much aren't available. The smart thing to do is to have clauses to conditionally front end contracts of other guys, so instead of soaking up the big money by overpaying players, you are paying them the same over the course of their contract but leaving money aside for when the stars come along.
That's great in theory, but juggling a salary cap can be tricky, look at the situation we are in with Leo this year, don't have a lot of room for next year, there must be some temptation to back load a contact there right? It's a slippery slope.

Seem like O'Sullivan's understands the risks there though and is trying to move people on instead.
 
The Jersey Flegg elimination final today on NSWRL TV (3pm) is loaded with guys who could feature in firstgrade as early as next year.
Zeb Sua, Kyle McCarthy, Paul Bryan, Jermaine McKewn, Elijah S/L, Liam Sutton, Jacob Davis. We have the strongest team we have named all year going into what looks like a pretty winnable finals series.

I think NSWRL TV offers a 1 month free trial, so clever people could watch this for free - and maybe the next few finals as well.
Even if yo have to pay for a month, it's only $8.
 
That's great in theory, but juggling a salary cap can be tricky, look at the situation we are in with Leo this year, don't have a lot of room for next year, there must be some temptation to back load a contact there right? It's a slippery slope.

Seem like O'Sullivan's understands the risks there though and is trying to move people on instead.
I think Leo is a great example. Can we not offer him enough in the first year to keep him? Or does O'Sullivan think he is asking too much?

If we can't offer him enough for next year, I'd argue that back ended deals for DSaf and Hastings have led to that. And you can almost guarantee that if we see him as a $600k forward, and pay him 4k, 4k, 8k, 8k over four years, we'll get to the end of his deal, look at him and go "he's not an 8k forward, how are we stuck with him under the cap?"

Conversely, if he is asking too much overall in O'Sullivan's eyes and someone is willing to pay him that, I'll back O'Sullivan to replace his output with someone much more affordable.
 
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