Recruitment And Retention Discussion

But he is sooo injury prone!! Surely that must count for something in negotiations!
Agree. They should include a reduction ratchet for games missed so that his base looks more like $720k if he plays half the season again.

Would be interested to know what percentage of finals games he misses. Assume it would be far fewer than regular season
 
I’ll play devil’s advocate on Best. We do not need him. We need to be better and smarter than this. We can put Sharpe, Hunt or Lucas there. Sully clearly said the offer is all he can offer. Where did the money come from? If this costs us Fletcher or Manu next November I will be beyond ropable.
 
I swear people keep forgetting the salary cap goes up by another 5 million in 2028.
The amount hasnt been confirmed has it? Most new contracts are coming with ratchets so really there isnt any extra money, capping dylbros to 100k when you still could cap them like that is going to save us a heap of money in the long run though. (or leave him unhappy and wanting out)
 
I’ll play devil’s advocate on Best. We do not need him. We need to be better and smarter than this. We can put Sharpe, Hunt or Lucas there. Sully clearly said the offer is all he can offer. Where did the money come from? If this costs us Fletcher or Manu next November I will be beyond ropable.
Can I play devils advocate to your devils advocate……

Your assuming that the now reported $820,000 per year with ratchets is our new offer. For all we know it was POS’ final offer before he left. We just don’t know and the media just makes stuff up.

One thing we do know is with POS negotiations very little info came out until the deal was done

Also with it saying he can go up to around $1 million with rackets, that says to me that Best would get around a 20% increase, an increase of around $164,000, bringing him to around $984,000 after the ratchet. Thats in the same ballpark as the reported Parra offer of $1 million a year. Its sounding like there is a cap on the ratchets, similar to Brown’s deal

For example and using the reported figures;
If the cap goes up 10%, then Best goes up 10%, roughly $82,000 or $902,000 a year

If the cap goes up 20%, then Best goes up 20%, roughly $164,000 or $984,000 a year

If the cap goes up 25%, then Best is capped at 20%, so a win for us

If my assumptions are correct, we want the cap to increase by over 20% and the other over the better for available funds

I am also very concerned about keeping Manuleleua, McEwen and Sharpe. I want to keep all 3 of those guys. They all have a lot of improvement left in them.

Hopefully POS set out a plan to keep all 3 before he left
 
I am also very concerned about keeping Manuleleua, McEwen and Sharpe. I want to keep all 3 of those guys. They all have a lot of improvement left in them.

Hopefully POS set out a plan to keep all 3 before he left

My exact reasoning. We won't keep all three if Best stays. They are all marquee talents.
 
My exact reasoning. We won't keep all three if Best stays. They are all marquee talents.
I agree they are marquee talents, I just don’t think Best’s contract will cause us to loose those 3 players. Their ability will cause other clubs to come in offering huge money

Let me explain my point of view a different way and I’ll take the salary cap increase out of the equation

We believe Best is currently on $750,000 a year

The reported new contract is $820,000 a year

That’s an increase of $70,000

I don’t believe that the $70,000 difference is going to cost us Manuleleua, Sharpe or McEwen. It’s other clubs coming in and offering overs just to get one of them that will cost us
 
Manuleleua will be very hard to keep.
Every club in the NRL would happily double his paycheck if the Knights were crazy enough to release him for 2027, and some coaches would be keen to offer him top 10 of their roster money.
On the other hand, I don't think any other coach could have "fixed" Frankie like Holbrook did, so he'd taking a big risk to leave us now that he has a coach who lets him do what his instincts tell him to do. Most coaches would over egg that pudding.
 
I don’t think the realities of the cap situation facing us next year have quite hit a lot of people in here. This club does not anticipate well. The Roosters would have already cut Best loose knowing they could possibly lose one or all three of the players mentioned.

They always have the next one up mentality and if not they buy one who is cheaper. For all the paper bag talk, their reality is they are ruthless. They have let Strange and Sandon both leave. Player s who have had massive finals series. They are not scared to roll that dice and bank on longer term success.

I have heard reliably the Roosters have every intention of making Sharpe Teddy’s replacement. Robbo is a massive fan. If they come calling we will lose him. We need to have the money ready to go. They tried to sign him a few years ago, before we upgraded him.
 
I will say in 28
Sharpe - 1M
Manu - 800K
McEwen - 700K
Are you basing this off the current cap or the increased cap?

I think both Manuleleua and McEwen would be close to that now if they hit the open under the current cap

We might be able to get Sharpe for a little less, hopefully $850,000 to $900,000 under the new expected cap
 
And what people don’t understand is that by losing Best you will lose two players with the other being Marzhew.

People disrespect Best a lot but we have seen that without Best inside Marzhew that Greg is a horror defender that almost always makes the wrong play, Bradman defends for two every week he is out there and if you are going to replace him than you better make damn sure the replacement is a top line elite defender or be ready to replace the winger as well since he won’t last long if he is missing 7-8 tackles a game, he is already good for letting at least one try in a game via the air, so will the fan base and more importantly coaches continue to back him if that turns into 3 or more tries a game.

Do we have anyone that can be plugged in 2028 with the same ability as Bradman on both sides of the ball? Or are we willing to weaken two areas just to keep the trio of Sharpe, Manu, McEwen because i reiterate Marzhew will be gone unless either he becomes an elite defender or has one inside him.
 
I don’t think the realities of the cap situation facing us next year have quite hit a lot of people in here. This club does not anticipate well. The Roosters would have already cut Best loose knowing they could possibly lose one or all three of the players mentioned.

They always have the next one up mentality and if not they buy one who is cheaper. For all the paper bag talk, their reality is they are ruthless. They have let Strange and Sandon both leave. Player s who have had massive finals series. They are not scared to roll that dice and bank on longer term success.

I have heard reliably the Roosters have every intention of making Sharpe Teddy’s replacement. Robbo is a massive fan. If they come calling we will lose him. We need to have the money ready to go. They tried to sign him a few years ago, before we upgraded him.
Roosters are already planning on making Marky mark their fullback when he returns from his stint in Japanese rugby in 2 years time . Politis has already confirmed such an offer will remain on the table.
 
I have heard reliably the Roosters have every intention of making Sharpe Teddy’s replacement. Robbo is a massive fan. If they come calling we will lose him. We need to have the money ready to go. They tried to sign him a few years ago, before we upgraded him.
If that is the case, then all we can do is offer Sharpe our best offer. It was enough last time round, who’s to say it won’t be this time as well.

We don’t know what Sharpe’s motivation is. Is it money, premierships or leaving a one club legacy at the Knights

Roosters in this case, will give their best offer and Sharpe will decide which offer he wants to accept

We also have Dom Young as a trump card of sorts, who can let Sharpe know exactly what it’s like at the Roosters. Sure they are a successful, but that club is not for everyone
 
I don’t think the realities of the cap situation facing us next year have quite hit a lot of people in here. This club does not anticipate well. The Roosters would have already cut Best loose knowing they could possibly lose one or all three of the players mentioned.
What are you talking about? The Roosters for most of this decade have had more of their cap invested in their three quarter line than any other club. Joey Manu was the highest paid centre in the game, Suaalii was on a motza, then they poached Young on top of that. They did not “cut” Joey and Joseph loose. They lost them. Toia and Billy Smith both had massive injury issues for a good while there so they actually weren’t confident they had ready made replacements.

I have heard reliably the Roosters have every intention of making Sharpe Teddy’s replacement. Robbo is a massive fan. If they come calling we will lose him. We need to have the money ready to go. They tried to sign him a few years ago, before we upgraded him.
From who? The whole premise of their Herbie Farnworth pursuit is that he’s either a Teddy replacement, or if their young fella Bassingthwaite is a stud they’ll have the best left centre in the game. Win win.

I guess if things don’t go the way they hope they might target Fletcher, but they can’t even talk to him till the end of *next* season, as it stands.
 
I will say in 28
Sharpe - 1M
Manu - 800K
McEwen - 700K
given the cap is predicted to exceed 15 million, I wouldn’t be surprised that even in only a 15 million salary cap that they get offers like …

Sharpe - 1.2m + (970k in the current cap)
Manu - 1m (800k in the current cap)
McEwen - 800k (645k in the current cap)
 
Are you basing this off the current cap or the increased cap?

I think both Manuleleua and McEwen would be close to that now if they hit the open under the current cap

We might be able to get Sharpe for a little less, hopefully $850,000 to $900,000 under the new expected cap
Yes the increased cap. I could be completely off the mark. But they are both young. Established top tier 2nd rowers might be 1M in the new cap? I’m not sure those two are at that level yet. Sharpe market value by the end of 27 will be 1M.
 
Yes the increased cap. I could be completely off the mark. But they are both young. Established top tier 2nd rowers might be 1M in the new cap? I’m not sure those two are at that level yet. Sharpe market value by the end of 27 will be 1M.
I agree, definitely under the increased cap those figures will be around the mark
 
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