Nathan Brown discussion

88Knight4life said:
Where do you think our current coach came from.....
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Brown was only a consultant at the Storm. He wasn't even based in Melbourne, worked out of Sydney & only worked with the hookers or did match reviews. Pretty much like what the Johns brothers did with numerous clubs.

To suggest Brown was a product of the Storm system is ridiculous, especially when he had already had numerous head coaching positions beforehand anyway.
 
slotmachine said:
Doing video review from your lounge room in Sydney doesn't make you a storm assistant coach imo.

To me the one thing that stands out about the last three premiers is the intensity of their coaches. Brown definitely doesn't give off the "win at any cost" vibe of a Bellamy/Flanagan/Robinson.
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Ohh Browny does, he just doesnt show it to the media or fan base.
He did it once and got hammered for years, only coach in nrl history to walk down a grandstand to start slapping his players across the head for being hopeless
 
Ak-47 said:
Just seems hard to point out where the problems are in over a decade I don't live in newi soo don't know the lifestyle, are everyone stoners up there lol
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Definitely a different mentality in Newcastle compared to Sydney at least when it comes to business and management.

Hard to put into words what it is but it seems like the Knights and Roosters organisations reflect this difference.


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We are just the idiots who continue to be loyal to a team full of tossers. What's going to give. Roosters supports seem to be all of 10,000 but go ok without them.
 
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/...n-considering-nathan-browns-position/?cs=7580

Herald article about whether we should replace Brown.
The conclusion seems to be that we might as well stick with Brown because we are a hopeless basket case whichever way we go.
It seems to say that Wests should just let things go on as they are, but start looking for a new coach for the future.
I'd actually hope that Wests have been thinking about this for a long time, and have a plan up their sleave.
 
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Basically still advocates his removal later in the year if things haven't turned around.

I cant imagine Brown wanting to stick around after being told he would be fired at seasons end. And I cant imagine he would be very motivated to do the best for a club he isn't going to be at any longer.

And finally, Brown has said a finals berth is not one of his kpi's for this season. So it may be Wests have already assigned this year as part of the rebuild, team gelling season to begin with and have no pla at all to remove Brown.
 
Since the day we signed him, I've always suspected that Kristian Woolf is Wests' back up plan.
 
Billy said:
Since the day we signed him, I've always suspected that Kristian Woolf is Wests' back up plan.
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You can bet your bottom dollar if we lose the next game or two. Wolf will take over and that will be his shot. By letting Brown sit there Until seasons end I get worried about Ponga wanting out because we are losing every week.
 
Brown would 100% have a hope for a finals berth this year.
Though like most rational thinkers, he would know it would be at least 6wks or so for the team to start finding its feet, so banking on a strong back half of the year would be the end goal.
 
88Knight4life said:
Brown would 100% have a hope for a finals berth this year.
Though like most rational thinkers, he would know it would be at least 6wks or so for the team to start finding its feet, so banking on a strong back half of the year would be the end goal.
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I dont think winning almost every game in the back half of the year is realistic, given the year so far.

No doubt Brown still holds out hope of a finals berth, but from here it is unlikely.
 
What cheeses me off ? Over the last couple of years in press conferences when 1 of the journalists suggests 1 of the younger players that have been here for a few years had a great game, Brown can never just say "yes he was very good today". It's always (for example) Daniel just needs to get more consistent or Dan's got a few things away from the field he needs to work on. When asked about Levi's game on Sunday he played politician by speaking for a few minutes and saying SFA. How about just agree the kids had a good game and address any issues behind closed doors. When asked about the older guys his answer is always "that's why we got him here" or "that's what happens when come from a good system".
 
Beaumont said:
What cheeses me off ? Over the last couple of years in press conferences when 1 of the journalists suggests 1 of the younger players that have been here for a few years had a great game, Brown can never just say "yes he was very good today". It's always (for example) Daniel just needs to get more consistent or Dan's got a few things away from the field he needs to work on. When asked about Levi's game on Sunday he played politician by speaking for a few minutes and saying SFA. How about just agree the kids had a good game and address any issues behind closed doors. When asked about the older guys his answer is always "that's why we got him here" or "that's what happens when come from a good system".
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The good system stuff annoys me. We hired Brown to rebuild, is the club happy to hire players from other clubs good systems and not put a good system in place here?

How many years does it take to get our system right and not act like we are the poor unfortunate knights.
 
Beaumont said:
What cheeses me off ? Over the last couple of years in press conferences when 1 of the journalists suggests 1 of the younger players that have been here for a few years had a great game, Brown can never just say "yes he was very good today". It's always (for example) Daniel just needs to get more consistent or Dan's got a few things away from the field he needs to work on. When asked about Levi's game on Sunday he played politician by speaking for a few minutes and saying SFA. How about just agree the kids had a good game and address any issues behind closed doors. When asked about the older guys his answer is always "that's why we got him here" or "that's what happens when come from a good system".
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Beaumont - "what Cheeses me off " is when young blokes play one great game and the Media announce them as the next "messiah of the League world", it puts too much pressure on the individuals to live up to the perverse expectations ( this is in no way directed at nor a reflection on the Knights Players you have mentioned , but in the comp generally ) .

There is nothing wrong with stating "they need to be more Consistent" and "they need to work on a few things off the field" if it is correct , reality is a hard task master and there will always be someone to stroke an individuals ego after the game but a coach needs to be realistic, how many of the young crop have failed to produce on a regular basis ( not only at Knights but throughout the League ) ?? How many have fallen into the "Second Year Syndrome" because of the weight of expectation.

With regards to the "older Guys " we should be complaining if they don't live up to the expectations of what is expected at time of recruitment , that is why you target Experienced players - you know what you get.

I do however agree that if a player plays well he should be acknowledged, as should the team be acknowledged if they show ticker and apply themselves with attitude as a unit and cover each others deficiencies.

Perhaps these accolades are presented in the confines of the Dressing shed in front of the Team , where it counts rather than playing out like "a soapie" in the Media scrum.
 
Beaumont said:
What cheeses me off ? Over the last couple of years in press conferences when 1 of the journalists suggests 1 of the younger players that have been here for a few years had a great game, Brown can never just say "yes he was very good today". It's always (for example) Daniel just needs to get more consistent or Dan's got a few things away from the field he needs to work on. When asked about Levi's game on Sunday he played politician by speaking for a few minutes and saying SFA. How about just agree the kids had a good game and address any issues behind closed doors. When asked about the older guys his answer is always "that's why we got him here" or "that's what happens when come from a good system".
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Agree with this. A player who puts in for a game should get their deserved recognition for it. That said, we only really see what Brown says to the media. I'm sure Brown and the other coaches would have those discussions away from press conferences, but who knows.
 
I do think Brown over shares in pressers with a little too much words. Saying a player has some things to work on is meaningless unless you are going to elaborate.

He probably felt he had to say those things given most of his press conferences have been after a poor performance or a loss.
 
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