Hunts hit on Anasta

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Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I know it was discussed in the Round 2 thread, but I thought it needed it's own thread.

We're not playing netball, says SBW
Adrian Proszenko | March 23, 2008

SONNY BILL WILLIAMS, the undisputed king of the shoulder charge, has pleaded for NRL officials not to ban the controversial tackle, declaring: "We're not playing netball".

The shoulder charge is the hottest topic in the game after Karmichael Hunt broke Braith Anasta's nose in a sickening collision during Brisbane's win over the Roosters on Friday night. The hit comes one week after Riley Brown's infamous "prowler" tackle sidelined South Sydney recruit Craig Wing for three months.

As debate rages over the shoulder charge, Williams called for officials not to rob the game of one of its most spectacular sights.

"It's a contact sport, we're not playing netball," Williams told The Sun-Herald. "It's pretty mad to see. From a fan's perspective, they love the big hits and collision.

"That's what makes rugby league so good to watch, the big collision, the big men. I know when I see big hits, whether they be shoulder charges or just tackles, the feeling inside is 'Ooh, that's pretty sore!'.

"At the end of the day the game is played for the fans and that's what they love seeing. They love seeing big collisions. People get injured in different ways, sometimes just from normal tackles.

"There's a lot of talk about the injuries in the last couple of weeks with the shoulder charges, but it's all part of the game."

Williams said he'd be disappointed if his signature move was ever deemed illegal - but would comply with any law changes.

"I've adapted to different situations before and I'm pretty sure I can do it again," he said.

"If the shoulder charge gets outlawed, it gets outlawed. I'm confident that's not all I have to offer."

Anasta may require rhinoplasty at the end of the season as a result of the Hunt hit, but the Roosters pivot bears no ill feelings. In fact, Anasta even offered to help Hunt at the judiciary should the Broncos fullback be cited by the NRL's match review committee.

"I don't remember much to tell you the truth, I just remember someone holding my nose after it," Anasta said of the tackle yesterday.

"I've watched it over [on replay] and I slipped in it. I was off balance and he just got me with a good shot.

"He apologised to me straight afterwards so I respect him for that.

"It wasn't intentional, you can tell.

"That's footy. It's a physical sport and these things happen. If you sit back and complain you shouldn't be playing. Simple as that. I'll help him out if he needs me [at the judiciary]."

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IMO, shouldn't get any weeks for it, but probably will. Anasta himself knows he fell into it, and as someone quoted before, 'Hunt would need quicker reactions than Steve Waugh and 2nd slip to have pulled out of that one'.
 
I agree with SBW..

The NRL is heading down a really bad path. Yeah you've gotta keep the game clean and you dont want to see players get injured but banning even form of tackle isnt going to do that, its only going to ruin the game. I also agree with what Freddie said in the press conference - the game stoppages are becoming rediculous, we dont wanna see it slowed down to the pace of union cause we all know how boring that gets!

Can i also say that the reff who handled the knights game was bloody good. The only reff ive seen so far no to give away a penalty with only slight contact with the neck - there's a difference between a grapple and tackling the chest and slipping up.
 
It will be classified as a high shot, and what grading will determine his suspension. Because Anasta was injured, he's bound to get suspended.
 
He should and will get suspended for it. He can;t say there wasnt any intent, he obviously went in there with a shoulder charge to put on as big a hit he could. If he doesnt get suspended it will set a bad precident for other tackles that involve players falling just before the line. Its similar to when a player makes a high shot when the player is falling, and ive seen them get suspesded before. but in saying this i think he should get a lesser penalty to that of a tackle where the player wasnt falling. 1-2 weeks is about right IMO.

Does anyone else see Shoulder charges getting ruled out of the game like in Union, i sure as hope we dont go down that path. They are a spectacle when they come off but also very dangerous when they go wrong. Already this season we have seen at least three major injuries as a result (Hodgeson, Anasta, Ross), theres probably more.
 
If the shoulder charge is rubbed out of the game Sonny Bill won't be able to get a contract, I'm not sure I've ever seen him make a conventional tackle.

IMO Hunt should get nothing, but if they wanna make an "example" out of him give him a week or put him on the sidelines until the match after we play Broncos. :D Nothing wrong with getting a slight leg up on the opposition.
 
Haha, Sonny Bill and Benji have to be the most injury prone players ever in the game.

Imagine if they both played on the same team ? Benji dislocates both shoulders throwing a cut out pass to SBW who in turns does his knee in whilst catching all in the first set of six. xD
 
Haha, Sonny Bill and Benji have to be the most injury prone players ever in the game.

Imagine if they both played on the same team ? Benji dislocates both shoulders throwing a cut out pass to SBW who in turns does his knee in whilst catching all in the first set of six. xD

You could probably make a team of injury prone players if you tried hard enough. :p
 
Warren Ryan: NRL needs to shoulder blame for high drama

JUST two weeks into the season and we've seen two terrible incidents which I believe with some foresight by administrators could have been avoided.

Craig Wing and Karmichael Hunt, in my view, have been failed by the game.

I pointed to the fact last week that there was no protection rule for a defenceless ball carrier held up in a multiple tackle. As a result, Craig Wing was the victim of a late hit and was badly injured.

A defenceless, grounded man is protected. There's a penalty against a defender who "flops late onto a ball carrier on the ground".

Because there is no comparable "late and dangerous" or "late and reckless" judgement call available to the referee to protect men held up, it will remain a dangerous and exploitable flaw in the rules until it's fixed.



At which point I would hasten to add that I see no problem with a late smother tackle ensuring there is no offload, or even a late tackler who has no obvious violent intent and gets there to assist before the ref calls "held".

Karmichael Hunt's horrific head shot on Roosters five-eighth Braith Anasta could have been avoided, too, if the "visionaries" at headquarters could only divorce themselves from the nonsense that rugby league would be diminished in some way as a tough game if shoulder charges were outlawed.

Quite frankly, they could get rid of them tomorrow and nobody would notice they had disappeared.

Part of Hunt's defence, apart from the fact that Anasta was falling, will be an intended shoulder charge that went wrong. The position of Hunt's arms near his body indicated that he wasn't about to attempt a conventional tackle with arms around the ball carrier.

The point is, though, that if shoulder charges had been outlawed two years ago when the alarm bells were ringing after the Adrian Morley hit on Souths halfback Ben Walker, Hunt wouldn't have been trying to do one.

Understandably, domestic rule changes are not desirable mid-season so as to preserve and standardise what little international competition league actually has.

But it wouldn't be the first time Australia, or England for that matter, made a domestic change and put it up for international approval at a later date.

So the wheels of progress grind very slowly and there's always some bright-spark official cautioning one and all about hasty "knee-jerk reactions", reminding us that league is a tough game and injuries are just part and parcel of it. Here are some excerpts from this column from two years ago. I therefore trust you will understand my contempt for comments about "knee-jerk reactions" in regard to the shoulder charge.

"Common sense takes time to unfurl, but they'll eventually get around to banning the shoulder charge altogether, if not for the fact that it isn't a particularly admirable football skill, but for the reason that the target area is perilously close to the head and the margin for error is small.

"Rugby has wisely banned shoulder charges, so I asked NRL operations manager Graham Annesley why league hadn't done likewise, and he said, 'It's not a debate we've had yet,' at which point one might suggest it's about time the NRL put it on the agenda."

Well, it's two years down the track and I'm not holding my breath, but Blind Freddy could see what was coming when the NRL finally did a Band-Aid job last year and decided that the shoulder was to be included along with the fist, forearm, elbow and upper arm as part of the outlawed weaponry in the matter of striking the head or neck of an opponent.

Talk about getting it half right. What a conundrum! The shoulder has been made part of the illegal weaponry, but the shoulder charge is still in the players' arsenal. How could they fail to see the bleeding obvious? A shoulder charge only has to be slightly off-target or the ball carrier's head drop a fraction and bingo someone's head is almost separated from his shoulders.

The way Anasta's head was snapped back when he was struck, he's lucky his injuries are facial and not spinal. I don't normally go down this road, but countless replays of the Wing and Hunt episodes would make any hesitant parents baulk at the thought of their kids playing the game.

As for diminishing league's tough appeal, the game has never been tougher on the human body than it is today, as evidenced by the long injury lists and the reconstruction operations every year.

What the game doesn't need is any unnecessary additional injuries that could have been avoided with some foresight and protective legislation.

One comment from a mentally challenged club blazer-wearer, in reference to banning shoulder charges, was that "league would become like rugby union". What an analytical masterpiece. Does he really think that's all it would take to make the two codes look similar?

Perhaps the inference there was that the shoulder charge was the sole survivor of the game's Neolithic period and a relic we need to keep as a reminder of the game's brutal past. The same chap would no doubt revel in the reintroduction of stiff arms, biting, eye-gouging and Christmas grips.

Source: Herald
 
He will get off I feel, its the Broncos. Never written off by the Media, always get their players through the judiciary. Its like they pay them.
 
He landed in Sydney with like 6 people, including Sports Injury Specialists etc, and all he's fighting is a one game ban ..

Its not the point of how many games, its the fact he could be suspended all because someone is unco and tripped over.
 
Hunt defeats high shot charge

March 26, 2008

BRISBANE full-back Karmichael Hunt has escaped suspension over his high shot on Roosters star Braith Anasta after successfully challenging the charge at the NRL judiciary.

Hunt was cleared of a grade three careless high tackle charge, meaning he is free to play in the Broncos' derby against North Queensland at Suncorp Stadium on Friday.

Anasta had his nose broken by the hit in the 18th minute of Brisbane's 20-14 win over the Roosters last Friday.

Brisbane's defence team, which included lawyer and former judiciary boss Jim Hall and the club's sports scientist Dr Tim Gabbett, did not deny Hunt hit Anasta with his shoulder.

But they successfully argued the contact with Anasta's head was unavoidable.

Dr Gabbett used video evidence to claim Anasta fell 59cm into the tackle leaving Hunt with a reaction time of only 120 milliseconds to alter his tackle, something he said was "not humanly possible" to do.

Hunt was facing a one match ban over the incident.

It was the Broncos' first judicial win in 14 years.

Cowboys centre Ashley Graham will miss the match after he entered an early guilty plea for his grade four high tackle on Tigers full-back Brett Hodgson on Saturday night.

AAP
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