2017/2018 Knights Player signing speculation

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I don't think Kurriboy footie fans are anywhere near as such delicate little flowers you think them to be. They are interested in only one thing - their Club winning by any means available. Otherwise they, and we also to keep following our team, have pretty thick hides!
 
Im hoping the 'gagai to other clubs' thing is a bit of a beat up because the club realises we need some good recruitment stories/ pr. Let it play out in the media for a bit then he resigns 'hey look at that- our superstar was chased by other clubs but he loves it here so much..'
On the other hand if he goes I'll be devastated. I think he's wonderful and would love to see him get some success at the club in the next few years
 
88Knight4life said:
No seriously give me one fact of the tpa where its cheating!
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From the NRL site, no doubt you know this is there but I'm quoting it anyway.

The basic guide is that if a player is receiving money from any person as a way of inducing him to play for the club, then that money will be included in the Salary Cap.
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Are you saying this isn't happening? You can't be serious.

I guess if TPA's are not being used to induce players to play at a club then we don't need to worry about Newcastle not having access to them!

By the way, I have a bridge to sell you, it's going cheap.
 
Kurriboy said:
From the NRL site, no doubt you know this is there but I'm quoting it anyway.



Are you saying this isn't happening? You can't be serious.

I guess if TPA's are not being used to induce players to play at a club then we don't need to worry about Newcastle not having access to them!

By the way, I have a bridge to sell you, it's going cheap.
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As the quote u listed says.... that is what happens!!

Dont sit here calling well run clubs and clever accounting cheating because u are butthurt that our club is run like a busted a$re.

Im just as frustrated as anyone at the nrl atm, though dont blame smart business minds for the knights faults!!
This club has been blue collar since day dot... we're a battler and without a strong front house and corporate backing we always will be!!
The nrl are not helping us in anyway atm although they are running the show, they are running us into the ground and waiting for a fat bank cheque to gain their own "win" why the knights club/fans/region/players continue to lose out.
 
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Lol ok 88'.

Well run clubs with "clever" accounting, = paying players 700k under the cap and organising 300k in TPA to make up the rest of the promised payment. Just an example, not a specific case!

It's cheating, end of story. I'll sit here calling it cheating all day and night.

It's just unfortunate the NRL are ****e at actually policing there own rules.
 
Kurriboy said:
Lol ok 88'.

Well run clubs with "clever" accounting, = paying players 700k under the cap and organising 300k in TPA to make up the rest of the promised payment. Just an example, not a specific case!

It's cheating, end of story. I'll sit here calling it cheating all day and night.

It's just unfortunate the NRL are ****e at actually policing there own rules.
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Show me this proven example mate?
Ur talking ship!!
 
Where did I say it was a proven example. I specifically said it was not a specific case.

I swear you just enjoy arguing!

I didn't think there was anybody who didn't think clubs cheat the salary cap rules to pay their players through TPA but I was clearly wrong. You want proven examples look at the Eels, Dogs and Storm. Those are proven examples.

Though I don't believe you actually think this way, as above, you just enjoy the arguments.

Anyway, i'm getting off this merry go round your peddling!
 
Kurriboy said:
Where did I say it was a proven example. I specifically said it was not a specific case.

I swear you just enjoy arguing!

I didn't think there was anybody who didn't think clubs cheat the salary cap rules to pay their players through TPA but I was clearly wrong. You want proven examples look at the Eels, Dogs and Storm. Those are proven examples.

Though I don't believe you actually think this way, as above, you just enjoy the arguments.

Anyway, i'm getting off this merry go round your peddling!
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Right so ur talking nonsense and cant back any of ur views with a fact!!

Thanks ta good chat.
 
Other than the proven examples of cap cheating involving paying players via TPA!

Other than those proven examples I have no proof at all. :giggle:
 
Kurriboy said:
Other than the proven examples of cap cheating involving paying players via TPA!

Other than those proven examples I have no proof at all. :giggle:
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Really....
My first post - That doesnt mean pinpoint clubs that have been pulled up for breaching the rules of the tpa guidelines.

Then u quoted the nrl rules.
The basic guide is that if a player is receiving money from any person as a way of inducing him to play for the club, then that money will be included in the Salary Cap.

I posted - that is what happens!!

So ur proven examples are of those whom have been busted cheating.
U contradict urself mate.
 
I don't have to stick by your dictated rules of the debate 88'. I don't need to go looking for some other evidence of cap rorting, the writing is already on the wall. The proof is there. I don't think you can ask someone to quote any evidence of wrong doing, but rule out any times wrongdoing has already been proven. Nice one!

Slots:

Bulldogs from http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2002/s654255.htm

MARK BANNERMAN: According to those documents, the system worked like this.

The Bulldogs Football Club paid its players salaries that kept it under the salary cap.

But the Bulldogs' Licensed Club, a separate business entity, made massive payments to companies associated with the club, who in turn passed the payments on to the players, to companies associated with the players or the families of the players.

KATE McCLYMONT: You have to remember this only includes money that the league has paid out.

What we don't know is what third parties, for instance, like sponsors were paying.
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That's an abuse of the TPA system.'

Melbourne

From Wiki about the storm cap breach.

This involved submitting invoices of up to $20,000 above the real value of the services rendered with this amount paid directly to players by the third party suppliers, although there was no suggestion that the suppliers were involved in submitting the inflated invoices.[1][2]
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TPA breach again.
 
cheating or not.

at the end of the day sides like the dogs are signing 3 current representatives in dugan, foran and woods whilst we are sitting here waiting for their scraps. Maybe we should take a money ball approach and sign players for their output instead of their name.

chasing all these big fancy supposed superstars of the game in bird & foran is well and good but they'll never come to us. We need to start looking for cheaper and lesser regarded names and try and build them into superstars. Why on earth we refused to offer paul vaughn an extra 75k on what the dragons offered is beyond me..... He's a perfect example of a recruit wed be able to attract and who would instantly give us a notable difference on field.

Ponga is a superstar in the making no doubt about it, Levi is a future kiwi rep. People forget Sione is 20 or 21 years of age and he's already beating up on people week in week out, in a few years he will be one of the top few back rowers in the game. The core of a good future is there but Mooney and Brown need to be logical and reasonable about who we recruit, because getting turned down by blokes who were never intending on coming here gets embarrassing and we become known for it.

There are plenty of good quality players who will become available and are available already before next season, we just need to be smart about which ones we go for.
 
So again in simple terms!!

U have written about how the nrl do not police the tpa agreement... u then posted a ( direct quote from the nrl guidelines regarding tpa agreements )
Showing how the nrl police it.

To then trying to back up your argument with ( articles where the nrl has busted teams breaching the guidelines of the tpa ) and then punishing them!!!

I see your point!!

Seems like they have cracked down on clubs who have CHEATED the tpa and cap.
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Honest mistake mate, we know what u meant :applause:
 
The major instances in cap breaches were discovered by whistleblowers correct me if I am wrong.

Hardly good effective policing of the cap if you ask me.

So again, to put it simply. I don't believe you honestly think teams like the Broncs are not paying players outside the cap via TPA's.

End of discussion!
 
Panthers looking to let TMM go. Should he be someone we look at or should we be going after a top half or nothing?
 
Thornborough92 said:
cheating or not.

at the end of the day sides like the dogs are signing 3 current representatives in dugan, foran and woods whilst we are sitting here waiting for their scraps. Maybe we should take a money ball approach and sign players for their output instead of their name.

chasing all these big fancy supposed superstars of the game in bird & foran is well and good but they'll never come to us. We need to start looking for cheaper and lesser regarded names and try and build them into superstars. Why on earth we refused to offer paul vaughn an extra 75k on what the dragons offered is beyond me..... He's a perfect example of a recruit wed be able to attract and who would instantly give us a notable difference on field.

Ponga is a superstar in the making no doubt about it, Levi is a future kiwi rep. People forget Sione is 20 or 21 years of age and he's already beating up on people week in week out, in a few years he will be one of the top few back rowers in the game. The core of a good future is there but Mooney and Brown need to be logical and reasonable about who we recruit, because getting turned down by blokes who were never intending on coming here gets embarrassing and we become known for it.

There are plenty of good quality players who will become available and are available already before next season, we just need to be smart about which ones we go for.
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Injuries aside- we've all loved Barnett and buhrer signing on, so if those are the type of players you're talking about, I don't disagree.
But I also understand what he's trying to do. 1 or 2 hard hitting pro to teach the forwards how to win week in week out and an experienced playmaker who can finish sets and keep the pressure on.
 
The bottom line is, we have money, and eventually, the right people will get us to spend it.
Cash is king.
Brown has said we have only been genuinely talking to 3or 4 guys so far - the rest have been approaching us to boost their value.
Brown has basically gambelled his entire career on getting this right and he knows only quality players will save him, so he won,t be buying rubbish players just to fill up the roster and come 12th.
 
Billy said:
The bottom line is, we have money, and eventually, the right people will get us to spend it.
Cash is king.
Brown has said we have only been genuinely talking to 3or 4 guys so far - the rest have been approaching us to boost their value.
Brown has basically gambelled his entire career on getting this right and he knows only quality players will save him, so he won,t be buying rubbish players just to fill up the roster and come 12th.
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I'm not saying buy rubbish players, I'm saying these big name rep players obviously do not want to come to a pathetic team like we are at the moment, us offering someone 1m or a quality side with good tpa offer that same person 700k is the exact same money wise. So instead of going for these ridiculous home run buys who won't sign we need to look for quality blokes who would consider us.

It p133es me off when you see the tigers sign 3 quality blokes in 1 week whilst we sit here negotiating with big names who aren't interested. At this stage we've signed 1 player for next year, looks like another long year
 
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