Justin Holbrook discussion

I don't know when the cap for football department came in, but I know Bennett was the highest paid coach in the NRL when he was here, his head trainer was the highest paid trainer by a long way, and Rick Stone was being paid head coach money to coach reserve grade - we also employed a former australian coach to do pathways.
I don't think Tinkler had a cap.
2017, I believe. After Tinkler.
 
You can spend what you want on coaching staff/football department. If you exceed the cap you pay a 37% luxury tax on every dollar over the cap amount. I cant find any info about if luxury tax money goes directly to the nrl or is split between the clubs like in some american sports.
 
I don't know when the cap for football department came in, but I know Bennett was the highest paid coach in the NRL when he was here, his head trainer was the highest paid trainer by a long way, and Rick Stone was being paid head coach money to coach reserve grade - we also employed a former australian coach to do pathways.
I don't think Tinkler had a cap.
I considered the Bennett and Tinkler era an unmitigated disaster. Like Robbo and the Rorters billionaire benefactor, they try to buy premierships. Unfortunately Tinkler had a beer income with champagne tastes.
And old Wayne fell over himself to be part of house of cards that Tinkler was building.
A thoroughly embarrassing episode all round, and old Wayne couldn't get out fast enough when it all turned to excrement.
 

Article says he has bought a 3.3 mil beachfront house in Merewether.
Goes through his other property and it all seems to add up to 10 mil or more for the 6 different properties - all seem to be near beach suburbs - Cronulla, Burleigh heads, Gold Coast x 2.
Flamin heck, no wonder he’s such a positive chirpy guy all the time. 😂
 
You can spend what you want on coaching staff/football department. If you exceed the cap you pay a 37% luxury tax on every dollar over the cap amount. I cant find any info about if luxury tax money goes directly to the nrl or is split between the clubs like in some american sports.
Yeah but the tax keeps going up if you keep exceeding it. I’m sure clubs go a bit over and below it at times but no one is massively overshooting year after year.

My understanding is that the going rate for the top coaches is in that $1-1.5 mil range, Bellyache has usually been the highest paid, for a good while now. It went around that Parra offered Craig $2 mil to leave Melbourne and he said no.

Guaranteed $1.5 mil a year till he retires, or $2 mil per year for a club expecting him to “fix” them and might blame him if he doesn’t show up with a magic wand… and then what? That’s the calculus. Not as simple as “just take more money” and if you’re a really good coach in a great situation it’s not as short of a career as a player’s might be.

Likewise I’ve heard other clubs have sniffed around Cleary and he just was not interested at all.

I’m sure Holbrook got a pay rise with his extension and he will be in line for another if we keep winning.
 
Yeah but the tax keeps going up if you keep exceeding it. I’m sure clubs go a bit over and below it at times but no one is massively overshooting year after year.

My understanding is that the going rate for the top coaches is in that $1-1.5 mil range, Bellyache has usually been the highest paid, for a good while now. It went around that Parra offered Craig $2 mil to leave Melbourne and he said no.

Guaranteed $1.5 mil a year till he retires, or $2 mil per year for a club expecting him to “fix” them and might blame him if he doesn’t show up with a magic wand… and then what? That’s the calculus. Not as simple as “just take more money” and if you’re a really good coach in a great situation it’s not as short of a career as a player’s might be.

Likewise I’ve heard other clubs have sniffed around Cleary and he just was not interested at all.

I’m sure Holbrook got a pay rise with his extension and he will be in line for another if we keep winning.
Keep paying him. All thing's considered and this year exceeding expectations by making the GF in my opinion a year early. There is np reason this is our best time as a club for another decade or two.
 
Really interesting thing about the coaching landscape atm to me is that there are three head coaches all active at once who are hard to argue against as the best, most important, most iconic in their team's history - basically, that club's equivalent of Broncos Wayne Bennett. Bellyache, Cleary and Robbo. Whether or not these are clubs that are "bigger", have more resources, a better reputation, history tells you that the job of succeeding a coach like that is a poisoned chalice. The *best* case scenario for the next coach to take that job is that they maintain what their predecessor had going and never really get proper credit for what they achieve. The more likely scenario is that things get worse and you cop all the blame. You walked into a situation where winning over 50% of your games and going *pretty well* is unacceptable, failure. Post-Bennett Brisbane has been like post-Fergie Man Utd, if Reece Walsh didn't have enough of an emotional attachment to the club to crawl back through the supplicant's door they'd be the biggest joke in the NRL. I will be shocked if Melbourne doesn't go down a similar path when Craig retires. I will be shocked if Penrith's dominance doesn't also start to wane.

Holbrook can stay where he is, have a great shot at going down as *the* Newcastle Knights coach, what Bennett is to Brisbane and Craig is to Melbourne, keep this job till he retires and name his salary... or he can go somewhere else and always be regarded as, at best, a sequel.

Easy choice IMO. And he'd be rubbing his hands with glee about the playing group he's got atm. I guarantee he believes he's going to win premierships, plural.
 
Maybe the Dolphins did it right, hire someone NRL capable who's had experience. In the past those teams have hired the 'next guy in line from within' without knowing how they'd handle the week to week grind of first grade coaching, who's usually been endorsed from the departing coach, but have 0 first grade coaching experience.
Bunnies thought Demetriou was going to break the trend but he had no respect from the playing group when things struggled internally.
I think that's why it will be interesting to see how Wallace goes.
But I think Penrith is well set up enough to avoid those obstacles, we'll see.
 
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