Kalyn Ponga discussion

Not true. Concussion is literally a latin based word that means coming into contact with something hard. Traumatic Brain injuries can and do happen without that contact with the skull, but that isn't technically concussion, although for all intents and purposes, it doesn't make a difference.
Again, that's not technically correct. While there is a Latin etymology, it's derived from 'contacting something hard' - not specifically the brain contacting the skull. Were that the case, concussion could almost literally never be diagnosed, because you can't know on review whether there was brain-to-skull contact.

Look up a medical dictionary, a concussion is defined based on brain function impairment. To an earlier point, that's why there is a distinction between Cat 1 and Cat 2 - it isn't about how bad the knock is, it's about how sure we can be that there was a concussion, and why it's a symptom-based judgement (because of how clear the impairment was).

It's not super relevant to the KP discussion, but worth being correct about on a public forum. If people have kids playing the sport, the more informed we are as a cohort the better.
 

"Newcastle won't be able to access salary cap dispensation if they stand down Kalyn Ponga, but the NRL are open to introducing assistance for clubs with concussed players from next season."
It's not like we can really do anything with it anyway, there's not much talent around.
 

"Newcastle won't be able to access salary cap dispensation if they stand down Kalyn Ponga, but the NRL are open to introducing assistance for clubs with concussed players from next season."
The NRL are real derpy.......if they aren't covering a concussion based medical injury then why even bother offering ANY kind of compensation for injury. It's never black and white with them, always a bloody grey area somewhere. Always seem to have a cya(cover your arse) clause in there.
 
I can’t but here’s the post


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In all seriousness though I have no doubt that the reporting that he recommitted for $1-1.1 million per season, with a ratchet clause that puts it up around $1.3-1.4 million, is correct, but the idea that he’s the only player on big big money who has such a clause is a bit fanciful.

But by the same token it was definitely too much for a player who we knew had durability issues (the concussion stuff really ramped up afterwards but the proneness to soft tissue injuries definitely should have been grounds to wipe a couple hundred g’s off his price).

Guarantee a few guys (Cleary, Teddy, DCE etc) still make more than him, but everyone who makes more obviously should. Where it’s kind of hard to take when you see the valuation of some other guys.

Cody Walker, arguably the best club level five-eighth of the past 5 years or so, still doesn’t make more than $700K from what I’ve heard. I guess that ‘mature age debutant’ stink never washes off, James Maloney always got paid like he was Chad Townsend too.

Scott Drinkwater, Nicho Hynes and Reece Walsh all around $600K I think?

If he does have to medically retire, I do hope that signals a bit of a change in how the club uses the cap. We remain trapped in the mindset of finding the next Joey (Mullen has confirmed his salary was $800K/season when he got busted, which is an even bigger chunk of the cap at that time than what we’re giving KP now… insanity) and obviously struggle to manage the roster around that… that’s how we ended up never being able to address the lack of a five-eighth when we were dropping a million each on Pearce and Ponga. But the chances of another Joey coming along are just so low, and even if he did, he probably doesn’t end up with us unless like Joey he’s also born nearby and too dumb to realise how much better off he’d be elsewhere.

And then even if we do line up the next guy in the lineage of all time great halfbacks like Johns, Thurston… I do reckon the game has changed a bit and you’re actually better off with four 7-9/10 spine players than 1-2 all time greats and then whoever you can get for the other spots. I really do question whether Sean Rudder at five-eighth would be enough nowadays 😂

Promising signs so far at least from Brailey, Hastings, Gamble and Miller that they can play at a respectable enough standard that we can take our time with Hodgson (who’s really starting to look like something special) and other prospects like Pryce and Rivett. No more paying guys out of desperation though - there’s definite signs now that Hodgson is in that Reece Walsh class, and I’d be delighted for him to get that Reece Walsh salary once he’s also carving first grade.
 
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- there’s definite signs now that Hodgson is in that Reece Walsh class, and I’d be delighted for him to get that Reece Walsh salary once he’s also carving first grade.
He's not contacted passed this season so he could be carving it up in firsts somewhere else next year. Especially with Miller and Pryce coming.
I hope he goes well, gets a chance in firsts here, carves it up and stays, but who knows.
 
Davie Armstrong - 8 games of reserve grade - 4 tries
Bailey Hodgson - 8 games of reserve grade - 0 tries

I'm not getting on the Hodgson bandwagon till he turns that around.
 
It’s going to be a tough call.
Can we carry both Armstrong and Hodgson next year with Pryce coming?
Miller has put a spanner in the works and he probably be our fullback for the rest of this season and next.
I don’t see both Armstrong and Hodgson hanging around.
 
Davie Armstrong - 8 games of reserve grade - 4 tries
Bailey Hodgson - 8 games of reserve grade - 0 tries

I'm not getting on the Hodgson bandwagon till he turns that around.
Work rate stats correlate better with success in first grade for most players in the 1-5 than how many tries they score. Hodgson leading NSW Cup in post contact metres as a fullback is a better sign than Armstrong carving up make-a-wish kid quality defence in lower grades. Making 285 metres behind a genuinely pretty weak reserve grade pack is a great sign. That he’s developing as a ball player is awesome, and essential too, but it’s not the #1 thing.
 
It’s going to be a tough call.
Can we carry both Armstrong and Hodgson next year with Pryce coming?
Miller has put a spanner in the works and he probably be our fullback for the rest of this season and next.
I don’t see both Armstrong and Hodgson hanging around.
People don’t look at reserve graders that hard to begin with, let alone the guys at bad clubs.

Harry fkn Grant was in the midst of pumping out some ridiculous video game stats in QCup in 2019, came off contract and his manager did look around… no serious offers. “Might as well stay at the Storm.” And that’s a guy who didn’t have any of Bailey’s injury red flags. You look at his QCup highlights and it should be obvious to anyone who’s watched the sport how talented he is.

Just as long as he doesn’t get a debut this year where he absolutely kills it, as Lachie did for Cronulla, I’m quite confident we should be able to keep Bailey. If he was eligible for a showcase game like NSW junior Origin it might be a different story. There are clubs who want a new fullback who should absolutely be looking at him eg Wests, but where are they looking? Will Kennedy. Another guy who no one noticed and poached when he was braining reserve grade…
 
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