Nathan Brown discussion

krustykraz said:
Like I said they both stuffed up.
Do you teach your u10's to dive on a loose ball?
Would you be angry if they yelled at each other and let the other team score after a bad pass?
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Yes I probably would and then id sack the guy that really cost us the try with the **** pass ….Well maybe not in the u10,s lol.
 
Billy said:
Good coaches like Bellamy, Bennett and Robinson convince players that they are genuinely trying to make the players the best they can be, and the players respond, because everyone actually wants to do well - especially guys who have got themselves up to NRL standard by their own efforts.

You know who responds well to being bossed, bullied and threatened with repercussions? - no one.
You know who responds well to having people take a genuine interest in them doing well? - everyone.
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https://www.sportingnews.com/au/lea...ew-zealand-warriors/obxrtl7c4e641o9ercvmdlb3x

Here is coach Bellamy encouraging his players to be the best they can be again in a completely non bullying way lol.
 
Billy said:
Signing a rookie coach would be disappointing.
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Would be very disappointing indeed. If Brown is to be moved on it is an acknowledgement he was the coach to do the hard yards and rebuild us, but not the coach to take us to the next step.

We need a coach with some experience to take us to the next level. Surely a decent coach would look at our roster and salivate over what they could do with it.

Fitzgibbon would be a step backwards.
 
Kurriboy said:
Would be very disappointing indeed. If Brown is to be moved on it is an acknowledgement he was the coach to do the hard yards and rebuild us, but not the coach to take us to the next step.

We need a coach with some experience to take us to the next level. Surely a decent coach would look at our roster and salivate over what they could do with it.

Fitzgibbon would be a step backwards.
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Its hard to think that we had an the 1 of the best Bennet and no results (apart from a good finals run in 2013) then before that Brian Smiths rebuild/clean up
With Brown its been smart recruiting, got the right players.
Just seems hard to point out where the problems are in over a decade I don't live in newi soo don't know the lifestyle, are everyone stoners up there lol
 
Ak-47 said:
It Just seems hard to point out where the problems are in over a decade I don't live in newi soo don't know the lifestyle, are everyone stoners up there lol
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It's not hard to work out the problem at all.
We have won a couple of firstgrade premierships and many lower grade premierships with squads built from the ground up over time - and every time we have decided to try to buy a premiership by throwing money at "good" players, it's ended in years of wasted effort.

Most clubs are in the same boat. Premierships are won by teams that are developed from the ground up over time - not by someone slapping together a squad of mix and match players on big paycheques.
 
Billy said:
It's not hard to work out the problem at all.
We have won a couple of firstgrade premierships and many lower grade premierships with squads built from the ground up over time - and every time we have decided to try to buy a premiership by throwing money at "good" players, it's ended in years of wasted effort.

Most clubs are in the same boat. Premierships are won by teams that are developed from the ground up over time - not by someone slapping together a squad of mix and match players on big paycheques.
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Whos the current premiers again?
Ohh the Roosters,
James Tedesco 2nd yr
Luke Keary 2nd yr
Cooper Cronk 1st yr
Thats 2 million alone to get that 2018 premiership
Throw in for 2019
Ryan Hall
Angus Crichton
And they're looking very good for back to back premierships.

Sharks won the 2016 premiership
Barba 2yrs
Maloney 1yr
Townsend 1yr
Ennis 2yrs
Another 2+ million bought to win the comp.

Souths 2014
Inglis 3yrs
Te'o 2yrs
Tuqiri 1yr
Another 2 million ish

2013 Roosters
Sonny Bill 1yr
Maloney 1yr
Jennings 1yr
2 million again

2010 Dragons
Bennett and the crew
5 million maybe more.

List goes on and on.
 
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88Knight4life said:
Whos the current premiers again?
Ohh the Roosters,
James Tedesco 2nd yr
Luke Keary 2nd yr
Cooper Cronk 1st yr
Thats 2 million alone to get that 2018 premiership
Throw in for 2019
Ryan Hall
Angus Crichton
And they're looking very good for back to back premierships.

Sharks won the 2016 premiership
Barba 2yrs
Maloney 1yr
Townsend 1yr
Ennis 2yrs
Another 2+ million bought to win the comp.
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You might want to read this article from Phil Gould about why the Roosters are so successful. It's their Junior Development and structures which allows them to add class in positions they need to fill a gap.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/it...at-keeps-roosters-on-top-20190420-p51frr.html

As far as Tedesco goes he was only signed because RTS, who they had developed, blindsided them and left unexpectedly. Keary was unwanted after Rusty embarrassed him in front of the whole Souths squad at the preseason training camp and didn't play any rep footy before joining the Roosters. Cronk virtually fell into their hands when he wanted to move to Sydney to be with his partner and I doubt there would be many here who wouldn't swap him for the bloke he replaced, on current form and what Cronk brings to the Roosters.
 
Any chance the low expectations and the apparent acceptance of mediocrity by our supporters rubs off on the players ? Anyone being critical of the team over recent years is labelled a rubbish supporter.
 
Billy said:
Signing a rookie coach would be disappointing.
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Why would signing a rookie coach be disappointing? They have a great record across the NRL.

Picking a well regarded assistant/rookie from the Storm or Roosters system should be a priority.

If you look at the current coaches in the NRL.

Green 5th and robbed in semis in first season as coach, Premiers in 2nd season.
Bennett Runner Up at Canberra in 1st year.
Stuart Premiers first year.
McGregor semis 2nd year.
Bellamy 5th first year Runner Up 3rd year.
Siebold 3rd and within a game of GF in 1st year.
Maguire 3rd first year Premiers two years later.
Robinson Premiers 1st & 6th years and four from six Minor Premierships or something like that.
Cleary 4th in second year, 3rd year within a game of GF.

So half the comp has had great success after signing a rookie coach. Personally I think O'Brien, Fitzgibbon, Ciraldo or Ryles would all be better options than any of the experienced coaches out there without a gig.
 
Billy said:
It's not hard to work out the problem at all.
We have won a couple of firstgrade premierships and many lower grade premierships with squads built from the ground up over time - and every time we have decided to try to buy a premiership by throwing money at "good" players, it's ended in years of wasted effort.

Most clubs are in the same boat. Premierships are won by teams that are developed from the ground up over time - not by someone slapping together a squad of mix and match players on big paycheques.
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As pointed out before Roosters get in right every year they recruit new stars in key postions, and win minor prems/grand finals. I think its good management, with Roosters players sign knowing the expectation to win and be in finals. That all or Roosters have more brown paper bags for motivation lol
 
The Roosters have the runs on the board and can attract top players easily to their vacant spots. Simply because a player knows they are a good chance of tasting premiership glory going there.

Only a handful of clubs can say that.

Roosters have everything going for them, location, money, success, facilities.
 
The last three premiers can count their local juniors on one hand, combined.

If we had lamb and cogger and mamo and Edwards and Clydesdale and Randall and the matautia boys and Denniss still running around we'd be coming first I reckon.
 
Speedymetric said:
You might want to read this article from Phil Gould about why the Roosters are so successful. It's their Junior Development and structures which allows them to add class in positions they need to fill a gap.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/it...at-keeps-roosters-on-top-20190420-p51frr.html

As far as Tedesco goes he was only signed because RTS, who they had developed, blindsided them and left unexpectedly. Keary was unwanted after Rusty embarrassed him in front of the whole Souths squad at the preseason training camp and didn't play any rep footy before joining the Roosters. Cronk virtually fell into their hands when he wanted to move to Sydney to be with his partner and I doubt there would be many here who wouldn't swap him for the bloke he replaced, on current form and what Cronk brings to the Roosters.
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I dont need to read it.

Its how the big end of town works in any business model.

You need to have a core that can carry many when push comes to shove.
Thats not just in sport.

The Roosters just do it better then any other in league with the storm doing the same model with excellent success for the past 20yrs.
 
Speedymetric said:
Why would signing a rookie coach be disappointing? They have a great record across the NRL.

Picking a well regarded assistant/rookie from the Storm or Roosters system should be a priority.

If you look at the current coaches in the NRL.

Green 5th and robbed in semis in first season as coach, Premiers in 2nd season.
Bennett Runner Up at Canberra in 1st year.
Stuart Premiers first year.
McGregor semis 2nd year.
Bellamy 5th first year Runner Up 3rd year.
Siebold 3rd and within a game of GF in 1st year.
Maguire 3rd first year Premiers two years later.
Robinson Premiers 1st & 6th years and four from six Minor Premierships or something like that.
Cleary 4th in second year, 3rd year within a game of GF.

So half the comp has had great success after signing a rookie coach. Personally I think O'Brien, Fitzgibbon, Ciraldo or Ryles would all be better options than any of the experienced coaches out there without a gig.
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Where do you think our current coach came from.....
 
slotmachine said:
The last three premiers can count their local juniors on one hand, combined.

If we had lamb and cogger and mamo and Edwards and Clydesdale and Randall and the matautia boys and Denniss still running around we'd be coming first I reckon.
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If those guys had been coached by David Waite or Warren Ryan, who knows what they might have been.
I do know that only a handful of players of the 100 or so we have had in the last 3 years have shown any improvement.
You can take individual names and tell me why you think they were rubbish, but you can't say each and every player who walks through the door is garbage, or if they are, Brown is the worst recruiter ever, as well as the worst coach.
 
88Knight4life said:
Where do you think our current coach came from.....
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Doing video review from your lounge room in Sydney doesn't make you a storm assistant coach imo.

To me the one thing that stands out about the last three premiers is the intensity of their coaches. Brown definitely doesn't give off the "win at any cost" vibe of a Bellamy/Flanagan/Robinson.
 
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