ROUND 10 DISCUSSION : NEWCASTLE KNIGHTS vs WESTS TIGERS

What is your predicted score for this game ??

  • Knights 13 +

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • Knights 1 - 12

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tigers 1 - 12

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Tigers 13 +

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

danknights

Adam MacDougall
Looks like he’s lost a little speed over time and his mongrel. he should be reminded what he’s capable of and shown his highlights.

I've been wanting this for a while. Just goes through the motions. I want to get back wanting to hurt them in attack, getting 3 or more defenders interested
, then pop the offload. I want to see the form he got picked for origin now.......just cashing in the cheques "at the minute".
 

Still_Nutty

Max Chapman
In all seriousness, I reckon Klemmer has dropped around 10 KGs from those days and that has had a significant impact on his performances....It started to become noticeable last year and has regressed further this year.

Although he still eats out metres, his physical presence isn't there at first contact and that has really detracted from his impact at the line in defence and attack.

I have been taking notice and if you watch nearly every first tackler now on Klemmer, they tend to go for a 2 arm grab to wrap the ball up, which has nullified his off loading and the rest then go high/low bring him to ground and tend to get an extended go at removing the arms and slowing the game down by the referees...I think Klemmer also doesn't do himself any favours by complaining and giving the referees a gob full when it happens because the refs seems to 'switch off' to it because he complains all the time in the tackle.

It does make it seem that he is 'only going through the motions' but I think the intentional change in body mass for the modern game by the coaching staff has been the main reason the player in those videos isn't as effective as he was
 

Billy

Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
I don't think Klemmer has changed much at all.
The game has changed around him.
Before the rule changes it was enough to eat up the metres to get a team into an attacking position.
Now, the best teams are always in an attacking position. Attacks can come from the kickoff.
If I were coaching him i'd try to get him to forget about putting in all the effort to grind out a few extra metres every run, and use that effort to get the arms free and look to offload.
 

HarVeeGee13

Akuila Uate
In all seriousness, I reckon Klemmer has dropped around 10 KGs from those days and that has had a significant impact on his performances....It started to become noticeable last year and has regressed further this year.

Although he still eats out metres, his physical presence isn't there at first contact and that has really detracted from his impact at the line in defence and attack.

I have been taking notice and if you watch nearly every first tackler now on Klemmer, they tend to go for a 2 arm grab to wrap the ball up, which has nullified his off loading and the rest then go high/low bring him to ground and tend to get an extended go at removing the arms and slowing the game down by the referees...I think Klemmer also doesn't do himself any favours by complaining and giving the referees a gob full when it happens because the refs seems to 'switch off' to it because he complains all the time in the tackle.

It does make it seem that he is 'only going through the motions' but I think the intentional change in body mass for the modern game by the coaching staff has been the main reason the player in those videos isn't as effective as he was
Yeah really good analysis mate. They’ve had him drop weight I think to help with his mobility & fitness, particularly to help shore up the defence through the middle I think, and he’s still yet to be at fault for any line breaks, but he has just lost any physical dominance he once had. But his game was always based on size and momentum, he’s not one of these guys who can win the ruck with a bit of late footwork, so yeah he’s basically just a body, albeit one that gets through a lot of works and rarely makes errors.

It’s easy for us to sit here and say the coaching staff messed up, but one could argue with our injuries we’ve needed a guy who can play 65-75 minutes in the middle without dropping off (and, going by the eye test, I think he’s underrated as a clean up/dirty work guy through the middle third - I feel we lose more rucks defensively, give up more offloads etc in tackles he’s not involved with) and if he was still a 120kg+ monster we might have conceded even more points.

Very worrying that his offload has been contained, but even more worrying is that last year he added a bit of passing in our shifts through the middle third and now that’s gone. I feel like he understood last year that if he catches an offload he should pass it straight away, yet he bombed a try on the weekend by stupidly going himself. He needs to get that back. Part of why the Roosters, Panthers etc move the ball down the field so easily is because players like Radley & Yeo especially, but also to some extent JFH, Liu, Taukeiaho etc will throw that extra pass going to the line in yardage sets. All of a sudden you can’t compress the line too much with four men on one player - if you over commit on Klemmer or Barnett, you’ve got Saifiti, Frizell etc one on one with a smaller defender or pushing between two players in the line easily winning a quick play the ball. What these teams do is easier said than done - if it was easy, everyone would do it instead of play it safe with one out hit ups - and it was way clunkier in early 2018 (for the Chooks) and early 2020 (for the Panthers) when they really started bringing this extra bit of adventurousness and subtlety to their work, but we have players capable of doing it I think.
 

JOJO82

Todd Bates
Honestly he just doesn't give a crap anymore, still gets good stats, but ZERO mongrel anymore. Seems to have rubbed off on Dan last few weeks as well as starting the year he was desperate to break the line, now is just trundling forward like ole mate.

Klemmers slow the balls are becoming worse as well.

He is literally just supposed to be entering his peak years as well.

When klemmer and dan got us rolling last week the points came so I wouldn't say he or they don't care.
 

HarVeeGee13

Akuila Uate
I think, physically, he’s redlined for a long time and eventually that takes a toll. It’s not just that he’s churned out huge metres and had a lot of hard collisions, it’s that he’s done it over longer minutes with more tackling than most guys who play his position. Everyone has their limits and they’re different for every player. It’s possible they thought they could have him trim down and that would help him recapture who he was at his peak, but that’s gone now I think.

But this doesn’t mean he’s just done and he can’t ever be great again. We’ve seen forwards have an off year or half season after multiple years of excellence, before resetting, changing approach a bit and becoming effective again, and there’s no reason it can’t happen for him. I think in the short term Adzy will look to adjust his role so he plays shorter minutes and goes harder in that time; in the longer term they may need to recondition his body a bit, give him an extended break from contact.

Klemmer could do worse than look to the hated Warea-Hargreaves as a role model here. A couple of years ago he looked like he was starting to get past a certain point as a player, but he’s transitioned to a 30-40 min bench impact guy very smoothly. Then when they have a big fixture coming up they’ll ask him to start and he’ll go hard for 50-60 mine, and he can do it because they haven’t burned him out. The days of Klemmer delivering 200 metres 35 tackles like clockwork over 65 mins with impact in each charge aren’t coming back, but manage his workload better and he might have a few of those in him a year. The rest of the time, 10 hard charges will be more valuable to us than 18 half-hearted ones...
 

Lefty

Clint Newton
Toohey says it’s an adductor injury. At least it is a good opportunity for Tex. Still a huge loss.
 
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