Gus Gould - Knights years off a GF win

Grandpa Joe - Prev Lord

Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus
Just listening to Gould on Macquarie sports, saying we are years off a GF win, but now should be top 8 most years.

Fit and firing I'd back us with what we have for next year to give it a red hot shake.

Gus isn't bagging the club where its at more the fans and wests for expecting more than we should, thinks Brown has done well.

I think next 2 years, even next year we can give it a red hot crack, thoughts everyone else?

And an FYI - Gus's show on @ 9am Sat's is a really, really good listen makes my working Saturdays bit more bearable hahaha - dont mock it til you try it.
 
That sounds like a fair approximation.

There are two standouts in the comp at the moment in the Roosters and Storm. They are there because they are stable organisations, they compete on every play and if they do have a loss, they generally bounce back the next week with a very good performance. We are on the road to their stability for sure. But for now, we rarely put an 80 minute performance together (our second halves have been largely atrocious lately, whole halves!!) and we have shown this year that we can string bad performances together for a month. We have a lot of ground to make up on those top 2. Our roster is still fairly unstable going in to next year. We need to become a team that never misses the top six first, then a regular top 4. Once you are there, if you enter the finals largely injury free, then we can win the comp. I really think we can become perennial achievers to rival Melbourne and the Roosters, rather than a club that ebbs and flows, like say Souths/Cronulla/NQ mid this decade, mainly because we have our junior nursery sorted.

Don't forget that Penrith, overseen largely by Gould, seem to go through a rebuild basically every year. They have had so much talent come through that joint since Gould started his five year plan, they should be unstoppable now. I think what they have done with there coaches has seriously hamstrung them.

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The Titans are

The Warriors are

I can guarantee they won't win the GF next year. Or the year after.
 
Penrith were going well last year and desided to punt Griffen while running 6th. Now they have spent $10mil on Cleary's over 5 years and can't even make the 8.

It’s funny how these so called greats of the game are never called out for their stuff ups.
 
It’s funny how these so called greats of the game are never called out for their stuff ups.
Penrith signed Cleary behind his back, he had Bennet pretty much convinced to go there and was left with egg all over his face, it's why he's not there anymore.
 
I think one area that holds us back is our cheap young talent coming through.

There are players we sign because other clubs won't pay their asking price and have 2-3 young talents coming through who they can pay $150k a year for. Jesse ramien will go somewhere (cowboys?) On a large deal while sharks are probably playing bugger all on xerri. It allows you to spend big on key positions (i.e. SJ 5/8) when you have this constant flow of cheap young talent coming through. I'm excited to see Bradman best play tonight. I would much rather have some blokes like xerri coming through our Jr development than what we are paying for moga etc..

Like I think that is one different between us at the moment and the best teams.

Edit: I had another beer watching the sharks/warriors and listening to the commentators talking about uele etc signed to 2020... Probably for bugger all.. like I feel like if we played the sharks at full strength it would be a close game but if you removed each teams halfback and best prop (i.e. pearce, klemmer
fifita, townsend) they would smash us on depth because they have good cheap outside backs and bench players coming through on mid term deals.. which allows a bit more $$ to be spent in key positions..
 
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I think one area that holds us back is our cheap young talent coming through.

There are players we sign because other clubs won't pay their asking price and have 2-3 young talents coming through who they can pay $150k a year for. Jesse ramien will go somewhere (cowboys?) On a large deal while sharks are probably playing bugger all on xerri. It allows you to spend big on key positions (i.e. SJ 5/8) when you have this constant flow of cheap young talent coming through. I'm excited to see Bradman best play tonight. I would much rather have some blokes like xerri coming through our Jr development than what we are paying for moga etc..

Like I think that is one different between us at the moment and the best teams.

Edit: I had another beer watching the sharks/warriors and listening to the commentators talking about uele etc signed to 2020... Probably for bugger all.. like I feel like if we played the sharks at full strength it would be a close game but if you removed each teams halfback and best prop (i.e. pearce, klemmer
fifita, townsend) they would smash us on depth because they have good cheap outside backs and bench players coming through on mid term deals.. which allows a bit more $$ to be spent in key positions..
Yep, another part of our evolution. It is going to start happening shortly. Some will stay at their long club longer term for less as well, especially if we are successful, further helping salary cap management.

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I think we are years away from being consistent top 4 threat every year. But we are not years away from a potential gf win.

It's tough to get to the gf but once there anything can happen.

97 we hadn't beaten Manly in something like 17 attempts and I think they beat us week 1 of the semi's though my memory might be wrong on that one.

2001 Parra were near unbeatable all year, yet we belted them in the gf. Perfect first half and parra had no answer.

Anything can happen on the day.
 
We are a team with very average second rowers, no 5/8, no top centres, limited wingers with no depth for injuries,a hooker in Levi who is extremely over rated and ageing halfback and a top fullback.

To me that says five years.
 
97 we hadn't beaten Manly in something like 17 attempts and I think they beat us week 1 of the semi's though my memory might be wrong on that one.
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Including our loss in week 1 of the playoffs, it was 13 consecutive losses to Manly prior to the 97 grand final.
 
No team is ever years away from a GF win.
There are dozens of examples over the years of teams going from near the bottom to near the top in a year.
If a lot of things go right next year, we could win the title.

Yeah, you are spot on, Panthers 2003 are a prime example of this, wooden spoon 2001, basement dwellers 2002. 2003 started poorly for them but they beat the defending premiers 23-22 in round 3 and next minute they were not only minor premiers but premiers only to fall back to the lower half of the ladder within 2 years. Tigers did something similar in 2005 and have had limited success since. It only takes that one good season where everything just comes together. I would also argue that the Knights sides of 1998 and 2002 were superior to the premiership winning sides of the season before but they just didnt have the luck or desire to win those years.
 
I think it was the start of the 2015 season and I said this club wouldn’t win a comp in the next 10 years and I got hammered for saying it. 5 seasons down, 5 to go. I could be right.
 
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