Why there are bright days ahead for the Knights

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  1. rhugh89

    rhugh89 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Why there are bright days ahead for coach Nathan Brown and the Newcastle Knights


    Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
    August 8, 2017 7:25am



    IT is some small quirk that the two teams that give most and give consistently run first and last in the NRL.

    A dozen professors couldn’t work it out. Between them, the Storm and Knights take a blunt club to all those soft excuses that follow losses and infuriate fans.

    Melbourne’s professionalism is something grand.

    The Storm seem to understand better than any that the definition of professionalism is an obligation to continue doing things well even when you don’t feel like doing them.

    The energy and commitment never varies.

    And why would it, they have a premiership to win.

    Running from second down to 15th the attitude drifts into a grey twilight.

    So we get players telling us they “began flat” or there was “no energy”. Coaches saying “we didn’t turn up”.

    They have been used so often they are accepted without challenge now.

    It is a fair question. Given they are professional footballers, trained to perform at their best for just 80 minutes a week, why can’t some get there?

    None of this explains the Knights.

    For Melbourne, the goal is obvious. They have a premiership strength team and anything less than a premiership this season will be an underachievement.

    That same goal motivates other teams, to varying degrees as you descend the ladder.

    There, it gets complicated as even coaches try to dim outside expectations by talking down their premiership chances, or exaggerating the limitations within their squad, all while trying to convince their players.

    The paradox was there on Saturday when the Knights, filled with journeymen and youth, took on the Warriors and their rich talent and donkey-licked them.

    It is no small statement to say Warriors coach Stephen Kearney would pay handsomely for just a pinch of the commitment the Knights show.

    The Knights were never going to win a premiership this season, though.

    So Brown found something else, something tangible, and was clear about it.

    Soon after landing at the Knights, Brown identified the personality of his team and town and went to work.

    No team identifies so closely to its town as the Knights, a town filled with honest types who would rather work for a dollar than find a dollar. They remain proud of it.

    Brown’s first job was to get his players, most so young, to understand their town and who had come before them.

    “We’ve tried really hard, when we first came here, to try and get the Knights back to how it was when Allan McMahon, David Waite, and then when Michael Hagan took over, they had a fair number of local kids who wanted to play for the team because they really liked the town,” Brown told Triple M Sunday.

    It was an education with slow reward.

    “They are slowly understanding what a Danny Buderus, and what a Paul Harragon, a Tony Butterfield, what it meant for them to play for the club and they are really starting to appreciate that,” he said.

    The Knights were famously built on what they called the two Ts; toughness and tomorrows.

    McMahon, the club’s first coach, was not interested in a player unless he had both.

    Brown figured out that the Knights needed something to play for bigger than wins, which would not come easily.

    More importantly, was clear on that goal.

    He appealed to something bigger than themselves. They had no choice but to buy in.

    “They know that to become an NRL player they’ve got to work hard and keep trying to improve,” he said.

    “So every week they’re striving to get better, and they don’t see it as a job, as a chore, they actually know they’ve got to get better if they want to help the club get back to where it would like to be.”


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  2. Tubby

    Tubby Gary Wurth

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    The test will come when expectation increases. No one expects the Knights to win at the moment so by playing their hearts out that is seen as a good thing. In a year or 2 when we are expected to be challenging for the 8, effort alone won't be good enough anymore and they'll have to start putting wins on the board.
     
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  3. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    Personally 8-10 wins should be a target set for 2017
     
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    Don't you mean 2018 ?
     
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    slotmachine Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    10 without question. 8 was as good as 2015.
     
  6. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    Yes yes i do lol
     
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    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    8 is the same as 2015, though 16-17 were/are way below 2015.

    Id accept 8 wins as a pass result with the hope of 12-14 wins in 2019
     
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  8. MisterLevy

    MisterLevy David Thorne

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    Yeah I agree. 8 wins sounds right.

    But that's still a lot of losses. As mentioned above hope everyone can cope with that.
     
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    member 2299 Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    88 you can't even read posts let alone write 'em!

    The score is now 15 all and remember 2018 is to be known as the lawn mowing marathon year!
     
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    danknights Clint Newton

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    I'd be happy at 10 but will accept 8. Long road ahead of us but stoked wests are on board.
     
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    Beaumont Paul the Chief Harragon

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    I'll be disappointed if we don't make the 8 next year as I expect Brown will be.
     
  12. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    If we are spending the full salary cap next season, top 8 is the target and the pass mark for the coach. Bottom 8 is a fail.
     
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  13. Joel

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    If we manage to fill our salary cap for next year I think our ceiling would be way higher than what a lot of you guys are saying currently.
     
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  14. Kurriboy

    Kurriboy Mark Sargent

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    I think next year we should be aiming for making the 8, or knocking on the door. I wouldn't regard not making the 8 as a fail year given the last few. Also considering we are putting new, young players in key positions I would think it would be tough to have a pass mark of making the 8.

    2019 sure, the 8 should be the target, the team has had a year to gel by then, we will have had another off season together and added a few more players to tweak the team.

    Have to remember this is still a rebuilding process and yes, things are looking on the up, but we need to temper our penchant for immediate success and let the rebuild actually build.
     
  15. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    Yeah i guess,
    Teams like the bulldogs, Canberra, Warriors, tigers etc that have spent the cap plus 1-2mil in tpa and are not even close to the 8 either.

    Just cause u spend the cap doesnt automatically mean finals footy.

    Realistically 8 wins is a 250% improvement on this yr.
    10 wins would be great!! though 12-14 wins is unrealistic with the roster as it stands.
    We would need 5 very very good signings to think of a top 8 team.... although that still wont guarantee a top 8 finish.

    Maybe look at manly in 2016 for a example
     
  16. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    :applause: perfect kurri
     
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    Simon Templar Darren Forward

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    Good points raised , bearing in mind a lot of teams that were expected to be top 4 this year floundering lower down the table.

    Ahh - a reality check is always refreshing.
     
  18. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Which means a lot of teams that weren't fancied are in the 8.

    Brown doesn't get free pass next year.
    He has the staff he wanted.
    He has the players he wanted.
    He is spending the full cap.
    He is in his 3rd year.
    Everything he wanted, he has now.
    This is where the rubber hit the road for Brown. If he can't deliver with everything he wanted in place, it's all down to him.
     
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  19. Lord of the Skraelings

    Lord of the Skraelings Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    I want say sack him if he doesn't make the 8, but a minimum of 10 wins would be the least that should be accepted.
     
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  20. josh2010

    josh2010 Up The Knights!!!!! Staff Member Moderator

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    Making the 8 will be a massive ask. Id be happy with top 10 tbh
     
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