vBookie: 2013 World Cup Final - Australia v New Zealand

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  1. Junior11

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    Grand Final

    Australia v New Zealand
    Old Trafford - Manchester


    LIVE: Channel 7mate

    Sunday 1st December - 1:30 AM (NSW Time)

    Sunday 1st November - 12:30 AM (QLD Time)


    Officials
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    AUSTRALIA LINE UP

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    NEW ZEALAND LINE UP

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    All discussion on the game in this thread - Pre Match (First Try Scorer, Predictions) Live Scores,
    vBookie Tipping & Post Match Thoughts.
     
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    Australia vs New Zealand - 2013 World Cup Final @ Old Trafford, Manchester


    Head to Head

    Played - 126
    Australia - 94
    Drawn - 3
    New Zealand - 29


    In England

    Played - 9
    Australia - 7
    Drawn - 1
    New Zealand - 1


    World Cup Matches

    Played - 18
    Australia - 16
    New Zealand - 2


    Australia's Record in The World Cup

    Played - 71
    Won - 58
    Drawn - 2
    Lost - 11


    Australia's Overall Test Record

    Played - 909
    Won - 670
    Drawn - 26
    Lost - 213


    [I][B]New Zealand's Record in the World Cup[/B][/I]

    [B]Played - 65[/B]
    [I][B]Won - 31[/B]
    [I][B]Drawn - 3[/B]
    [I][B]Lost - 31[/B]


    [U][I][B]New Zealand's Overall Test Record[/B][/I][/U]

    [I][B]Played - 393[/B]
    [I][B]Won - 171[/B]
    [I][B]Drawn - 17[/B]
    [I][B]Lost - 205


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    2013 WORLD CUP STATS


    Metres Gained

    Australia - 8,088m
    New Zealand - 7,434m


    Tries

    Australia - 43
    New Zealand - 37


    Line Breaks

    Australia - 48
    New Zealand - 43


    Tackle Breaks

    Australia - 205
    New Zealand - 170


    Tackles

    Australia - 1286
    New Zealand - 1271


    Missed Tackles

    Australia - 41
    New Zealand - 93


    Errors

    Australia - 48
    New Zealand - 63


    40/20's

    Australia - 0
    New Zealand - 0


    Yellow Cards

    Australia - 0
    New Zealand - 0


    [B]Red Cards[/B]

    Australia - 0
    [B]New Zealand - 0[/B]


    [U][I][B]Penalties Recieved[/B][/I][/U]

    [I][B]Australia - 29[/B]
    [I][B]New Zealand - 36


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    PLAYER RECORDS - AUSTRALIA


    Billy Slater

    Total Tests - 23
    Tries - 20


    Brett Morris

    Total Tests - 16
    Tries- 19


    Josh Morris

    Total Tests - 4
    Tries - 4


    Michael Jennings

    Total Tests - 2
    Tries - 4


    Greg Inglis

    Total Tests - 27
    Tries - 21


    Brent Tate

    Total Tests - 25
    Tries - 16


    Darius Boyd

    Total Tests - 15
    Tries - 13


    Jarryd Hayne

    Total Tests - 14
    Tries - 14


    Johnathon Thurston

    Total Tests - 29
    Tries - 11
    Goals - 128
    [B]Points - 300


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    PLAYER RECORDS - NEW ZEALAND


    Kevin Locke

    Total Tests - 7
    Tries - 2


    Josh Hoffman

    Total Tests - 5
    Tries - 2


    Roger Tuivasa Sheck

    Total Tests - 5
    Tries - 8


    Bryson Goodwin

    Total Tests - 8
    Tries - 6


    Krisnan Inu

    Total Tests - 5
    Tries - 1


    Dean Whare

    Total Tests - 6
    Tries - 2


    Manu Vatuvei

    Total Tests - 23
    Tries - 17


    Jason Nightingale

    Total Tests - 18
    Tries - 9


    Shaun Johnson

    Total Tests - 7
    Tries - 5
    Goals - 31
    [B]Points - 82


    [/B]
    FACTS AND FIGURES


    * Australia are Record 9 Time World Champions, Next best is Great Britain with 3 World Titles and then NZ with 1 World Title


    * Australia have won 9 out of the 13 world cups held (69.2% Win Rate)


    * Australia has won 32 out of their last 35 World Cup Matches


    * Australia have won their last 14 matches straight


    * New Zealand Have won their last 5 games straight


    * Australia have won the last 6 Meetings between these 2 teams


    * New Zealand have only beaten Australia twice in World Cup History once in 1985 and again in 2008


    * Australia and New Zealand have met in 3 RLWC Finals with Australia winning twice in 1985 and 2000 and New Zealand winning once in 2008


    * Australia are Ranked Number 1 in the World according to the RLIF


    * New Zealand are Ranked Number 2 in the World according to the RLIF


    * New Zealand are the Defending World Champions


    * Australia have scored the highest amount of Tries in the 2013 RLWC (43 @ 8.6 Tries Per Game)


    * New Zealand have scored the second highest amount of tries in the 2013 RLWC (37 @ 7.4 Tries Per Game)


    * Australia have the highest amount of Try Assists in the 2013 RLWC (36 @ 7.2 Try Assists Per Game)


    * New Zealand have the second highest amount of Try Assists in the 2013 RLWC (34 @ 6.8 Try Assists Per Game)


    * Australia have score the highest amount of Points at the 2013 RLWC (236 @ 47.2 Points Per Game)


    * New Zealand have scored the second highest amount of Points in the 2013 RLWC (206 @ 41.2 Points Per Game)


    * Australia are the best defensive side at the 2013 RLWC in regards to missed tackles (41 @ 8.2 Missed Tackles Per Game)


    * Australia are also the best defensive side at the 2013 RLWC in regards to points conceded (22 @ 5.5 Points Per Game)


    [B]* Australia have not conceded a try in over 300 minutes of Rugby League (5 Hours)[/B]


    [I][B]* New Zealand are the second best defensive side at the 2013 RLWC in regards to points conceded (46 @ 9.2 Points Per Game)[/B]


    [I][B]* Australia have made the highes amount of Metres at the 2013 World Cup (8,088m @ 1,617.6m Per Game)[/B]


    [I][B]* New Zealand have made the second highest amount of Metres at the 2013 RLWC (7,434m @ 1,486.8m Per Game)


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    * Australia have made the highest amount of Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC (48 @ 9.6 Line Breaks Per Game)


    * New Zealand have made the second highest amount of Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC (43 @ 8.6 Line Breaks Per Game)


    * Australia have made more Tackle Breaks than any other team at the 2013 RLWC (205 @ 41 Tackle Breaks Per Game)


    * New Zealand have made the third highest amunt of Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC (170 @ 34 Tackle Breaks Per Game)


    * Australia has made the second most Offloads in the 2013 RLWC (66 @ 13.2 Offloads Per Game)


    * New Zealand has made the highest amount of Offloads in the 2013 RLWC (85 @ 17 Offloads Per Game)


    * Australia have kicked the highest amount of Goals in the 2013 RLWC (33 @ 6.6 Goals Per Game)


    * New Zealand have kicked the second highest amount of Goals in the 2013 RLWC (29 @ 5.8 Goals Per Game)


    * Jarryd Hayne is the top Try Scorer in the 2013 RLWC with 9 Tries


    * Brett Morris has score 7 Tries in the 2013 RLWC


    * Cooper Cronk and Darius Boyd have both scored 4 Tries each in the 2013 RLWC


    * Roger Tuivasa Sheck has scored 8 Tries in the 2013 RLWC


    * Bryson Goodwin, Manu Vatuvei and Shaun Johnson have all scored 4 Tries each in the 2013 RLWC


    * Greg Inglis leads the way in Try Assists for Australia with 8


    * Cameron Smith, Cooper Cronk and Jarryd Hayne all have 4 Try Assists in the 2013 RLWC


    * Kieran Foran leads the way in Try Assists for New Zealand with 9


    * Dean Whare and Shaun Johnson have 4 Try Assists each in the 2013 RLWC


    * Greg Inglis also has 36 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Andrew Fifita has made 24 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    [B]* Jarryd Hayne has made 22 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC [/B]


    [I][B]* Roger Tuivasa Sheck has made 31 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC [/B]


    [I][B]* Issac Luke has made 19 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC [/B]


    [I][B]* Sonny Bill Williams has made 16 Tackle Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


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    * Paul Gallen has made 690m in the 2013 RLWC (138m per game)


    * Andrew Fifita has made 633m in the 2013 RLWC (126.6m per game)


    * Greg Inglis has made 574 m in the 2013 RLWC (143.5m per game)


    * James Tamou has made 558m in the 2013 RLWC (111.6m per game)


    * Brett Morris has made 542m in the 2013 RLWC (135.5m per game)


    * Roger Tuivasa Sheck has made 774m in the 2013 RLWC (154.8m per game)


    * Issac Luke has made 635m in the 2013 RLWC (127m per game)


    * Jarryd Hayne has made 8 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Both Cooper Cronk and Brett Morris have made 5 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Johnathon Thusrton, Darius Boyd and Greg Inglis have all made 4 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Roger Tuivasa Sheck has made 10 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Manu Vatuvei and Sonny Bill Williams have both made 5 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Issac Luke and Dean Whare have both made 4 Line Breaks in the 2013 RLWC


    * Sonny Bill Williams has made 8 Errors in the 2013 RLWC


    * Shaun Johnson has made 7 Errors in the 2013 RLWC


    * Bryson Goodwin, Roger Tuivasa Sheck and Kevin Lock have all made 5 Errors in the 2013 RLWC


    * Only one Australian player has made more than 5 Errors in the 2013 RLWC (Johnathon Thurston with 6)


    * Shaun Johnson has 29 Goals and 4 Tries for a total of 74 Points in the 2013 RLWC


    * Johnathon Thurston has 26 Goals and 2 Tries for a total of 60 Points in the 2013 RLWC


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    PREDICTION


    Australia - 34
    New Zealand - 12
    FTS - Inglis
    LTS - Hayne
    MOTM - Thurston




    * 2013 World Cup Stats courtesy of www.rlwc2013.com

    * Historical Stats are my own work
     
  3. Hamish171

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    I believe after the poundings Australia has dished out, this one, in my opinion, will be no different.

    Australia- 46
    New Zealand- 16
    MOTM- Hayne
     
  4. cameron

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    Australia should win easy unless they have a major choke. I would really like the idea of an australia vs rest of the world game to be played in the near future. Rest of the world team could look something like: Tomkins, Uate, BJ, Hurrell, Taufua, Foran, Johnson, JWH, Luke, Graham, SBW, Burgess, Mannering - Milford, Kasiano, Burgess, Matulino. That team would give Australia a bit more of a constant threat.
     
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  5. Junior11

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    It'll probably be close for the first 20-30 minutes but Australia really should win this comfortably. Their defence has been absolutely outstanding and the players are in great form, I think they'll just outclass NZ especially in the backline. England really went right through them on the edges last night and if Vatuvei plays even better, he's constantly out of position.

    Australia 44
    NZ 10
    FTS Hayne
    LTS Smith
    MOTM Smith

    Hopefully Australia's bench will be

    14. DCE
    15. Fifita
    16. Papalii
    17. Parker

    I had Myles over Papalii at the start of the tournament but I think Papalii should be there now. Myles is a hard worker and has plenty of experience but Papalii provides so much impact along with Fifita. But if Myles gets selected I'll feel safe with him in the team.
     
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    Slater winning race against time at RLWC

    By Liam FitzGibbon
    AAP
    7:00pm Sun 24th November, 2013

    Billy Slater's tireless recovery efforts could pay off with the Kangaroos fullback looking increasingly likely to return from injury in the Rugby League World Cup final.

    Slater admits he thought his tournament was over after suffering a recurrence of a left knee injury in last week's quarter-final victory over the United States.

    The Melbourne Storm star sat out Saturday's 64-0 semi-final win over Fiji but his recovery has exceeded expectations and Kangaroos medical staff now consider it more likely than not he will be fit for next Saturday's showdown with New Zealand at Old Trafford.

    Slater stresses he won't put his hand up to play unless he is 100 per cent fit but the 30-year-old is desperate to be part of the side that will look to avenge a loss to the Kiwis in the 2008 final.

    "The way it's improved over the last seven days has caught me by surprise to be honest," Slater said on Saturday.

    "At the start of the week I was giving myself no chance, whereas now I've done everything possible to get right for the next game and I'll do everything I can in the next seven days to be right.

    "... I'm going to give myself the best opportunity to get there but I'm not going to play if I don't think I can play properly.

    "It's a big occasion and I'd love to be part of it but I know how important it is to this team and to our country. I'll be fit if I get there."

    Kangaroos' physiotherapist Tony Ayoub said the fact Slater was any chance at all of playing was a testament to the player's dedication.

    Since suffering the injury, Slater has received up to three treatment sessions and day and stuck to a strict regime of icing his knee up to eight times a day, mostly in his hotel room.

    Slater surprised Ayoub by completing a treadmill running drill at 15kph on Friday, but crucial to his hopes of playing will be when he tests his knee during intense training on Tuesday.

    "I (initially) gave him a 50-50 chance (of being fit) but it's far better than that now," Ayoub said.

    "You've got to give the kid credit, he works hard. He's certainly a professional."

    While Kangaroos players have played down talk of redemption or revenge, Slater would be desperate to get a chance to avenge the 2008 loss in Brisbane, where his infamous wayward pass helped the Kiwis score a shock victory.

    He is also one of a host of senior Australian players who are facing what is likely their last chance to add a World Cup title to their CVs.

    Kangaroos coach Tim Sheens will give Slater until the end of the week to prove his fitness and, should he do so, Greg Inglis would shift back into the centres.

    That would likely mean Brent Tate making way from the starting side but it's believed Sheens is considering using the North Queensland veteran off the interchange bench.


    http://www.nrl.com/slater-winning-race-against-time-at-rlwc/tabid/10874/newsid/75501/default.aspx

     
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    Shaun Johnson living dream of scoring the match-winning try on the world stage



    AS a youngster, Shaun Johnson was like a lot of children who used to dream about scoring the winning try for his country on the biggest stage.

    It probably involved stepping past a couple of defenders before diving over and being swamped by teammates.

    It's exactly what happened yesterday when he scored with 20 seconds left in the World Cup semi-final and then landed the crucial conversion after the final siren to hand the Kiwis a dramatic 20-18 win over England.

    His hands were shaking as he lined up the conversion and memories resurfaced of his fluffed kick for the Warriors against the Roosters at Eden Park this year that would have taken the game into golden point.

    He tried to approach it like any other kick, which it wasn't, before watching it sail between the uprights.

    "It is a bit of a blur," he said. "It feels surreal at the moment ... just to see the looks on the boys' faces and see how much it means to all of us.


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    Shaun Johnson celebrates his winning try with team mates. Source: Getty Images


    "I got the ball and was able to beat a couple of people and score a try, but seeing the boys' faces, that beats it all. I'm just stoked.

    "I can remember going to that left edge because there was some space. I looked up and saw they had three or four players covering half the field, so I drifted over there, got a pass and whatever happened, happened."

    What unfolded was bewildering, and befitting of the stakes and the venue. The Kiwis found themselves trailing 18-14 with time almost up on the clock but they had one more opportunity as they worked themselves close to the line.

    Frank-Paul Nu'uausala found himself at dummy-half after hooker Issac Luke was tackled close to the line and heaved out a loopy pass to Johnson about 15m away.

    The 23-year-old halfback then beat the first defender who rushed up at him sensing an opportunity to snuff out the attack and then jinked his way through two more Englishman before diving over in front of a shocked Wembley.

    He returned to the dressing room afterwards to find countless messages of congratulations and support on his phone.

    "All of my friends and family. That makes it even more special, knowing how proud I've made my mum and dad and brother."

    His father was among the 67,545-strong crowd at Wembley and the pair planned to have dinner together at the team hotel. They were bound to talk about that try but Johnson was mindful of other aspects of his game against England.

    "I don't know if I'll replay that moment," he said.

    "It's the other little moments in the game. I'm usually pretty hard on myself and defensively I was well off, I let in a try, so that stuff will play in my head.

    "But I've got some pretty cool people around me to enjoy the occasion and that's what I'll try to do.

    It's bound to have prompted the next generation of youngsters to head out into the backyard as well.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/shaun-johnson-living-dream-of-scoring-the-matchwinning-try-on-the-world-stage/story-fni3fbgz-1226767274962


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    Billy Slater's shock return set to send in form Greg Inglis back to centre



    Greg Inglis might be forced to switch to centre this weekend if Billy Slater returns from injury but Inglis' form against Fiji was further proof the South Sydney superstar is just about back at the top of his game.

    Inglis will go head to head with Sonny Bill Williams and Scotland's Danny Brough for the International Rugby League Player of the Year award at a gala dinner in Manchester on Wednesday night.

    And at Wembley over the weekend Inglis again showed why he is such a powerful force when he is injury free and wearing that number one jumper.

    While the backend of Inglis' season was ruined after he suffered a knee injury in State of Origin three, he admits he is starting to feel like he is back to where he was before the injury and his statistics support that argument.


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    Greg Inglis is tackled by Eloni Vunakece of Fiji. Source: Getty Images


    The match at Wembley probably won't be remembered as one of Inglis' greatest games given the huge scoreline and the fact he didn't cross for a try.

    But on a quiet afternoon he still ran for a game-high 222 metres and finished with two try assists.

    If Slater returns for the final Inglis will be moved back to left centre with Brent Tate likely to fight it out with Josh Papalii for a spot on the bench.

    Corey Parker certainly didn't waste his opportunity against Fiji running for 165 metres which was the second most of any forward behind only Paul Gallen who ran for 201 metres while Andrew Fifita was next best with 152.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s-back-to-centre/story-fni3fbgz-1226767300917


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    SBW says semi-final against England was most gruelling game he's played



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    New Zealand rugby league star Sonny Bill Williams gets the ice ready after a bruising win over England. Source: Supplied



    As Sonny Bill Williams emerged from the dressing room after New Zealand's epic win over England, the toll was obvious.

    He shuffled along with a pronounced limp and was sporting cuts and scrapes all over his body. It was almost like he had gone 12 rounds in the ring.

    "It sure was," the New Zealand heavyweight champion said with a grin.

    "I don't think I've felt like that before on a footy field.

    "Everything [hurts]. I've even got scratches on my face. I got given a bit out there, but I certainly gave a bit as well. It was an awesome game, a very physical game, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

    It was exactly the sort of feeling the 28-year-old didn't want to miss out on when he backtracked on his original decision to skip the World Cup.

    He has talked about not wanting to have any regrets in his sporting career and he would certainly have regretted not playing in one of the best games in World Cup history.

    His nemesis Sam Burgess might have been man of the match but Williams wasn't far behind. He made the most metres (136m), tackles (39) and offloads (6) of anyone in the Kiwis and it's doubtful they would have won without him.

    There weren't a lot of the stylish aspects of Williams' game fans have grown to love on display, but he was full of substance.

    "I'm a pretty competitive guy and I definitely won't take a backwards step," he said.

    "But I got thought a lot of work out there, held my own. Got given some, but I gave some, too.

    "As you can see from the scars on my face and my body, I'm pretty banged up, but I'll be raring to go next week and these things are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities and you've got to take them with both hands.

    "Full credit to England, they were awesome, but to win competitions you need a bit of luck and you need some talent and I think we've got some talent.

    It means the 28-year-old still has a chance to become the first person to win both the rugby and rugby league world cups and it's something that will drive him this week and help him get over his numerous bumps and bruises.

    "Definitely, just to be a part of it," said Williams, who last week was nominated along with Greg Inglis and Danny Brough as a finalist for International Player of the Year.

    "Win or lose, it is such a special thing, being able to come away and enjoy the time over here with the brothers and put that Kiwi jersey on.

    "I definitely fell back in love with rugby league this year. I felt like I earned a lot of respect, just through the way I carried myself and showed that I've grown up a lot as a person.

    "So it would definitely top everything off but, win or lose, it's been a great experience."

    Round three of the Burgess and Williams contest was even better than the first two but they were merely players in a bigger title fight.

    In boxing parlance, the Kiwis were on the ropes before finding the strength to land the knockout blow.It was swift and it was brutal and, crucially, the Kiwis were left standing.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-game-hes-played/story-fni3fbgz-1226767263374


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    Billy Slater is set to make a shock return for the RLWC final against the Kiwis



    FIVE years ago Billy Slater's World Cup ended in heartbreak - now the champion fullback is five days away from ending the 2013 tournament with a miracle.

    Slater was responsible for the suicidal pass that effectively handed the Kiwis their shock victory in 2008.

    But just when it appeared he wouldn't get his shot at redemption it has emerged that Slater is back running and on track to make a shock return in Saturday's decider in Manchester.

    In the aftermath of the Kangaroos thumping 64-0 win over Fiji that booked a dream World Cup final showdown with reigning champions New Zealand, Australian team physio Tony Ayoub revealed Slater was running on a treadmill over the weekend at a pace of 15km/h.

    This was just six days after he limped off the field in Wales after injuring the same knee that kept him sidelined for six weeks last year.

    The injury came just days after Slater was arrested and released without charge after being involved in a nightclub fight in Manchester.

    "He has settled down quite dramatically," Ayoub said.

    "He had a run for about 20 minutes. We did a bit of a warm up and he did some intervals and he got through everything.

    "It hasn't blown up at all. He is pretty confident. It was him pushing himself.

    "I only planned to do 12 minutes and he ended up doing 20 and he was going faster than I anticipated."

    Asked if his experience would back Slater to play, Ayoub added: "I'd give him a realistic chance of playing."He has got full range, he hasn't got any pain. The only thing that is bothering him at the moment is some tightness in his calf."

    Slater himself can't believe how quick he has recovered."I have got seven days and the way it has improved in the last seven days has caught me by surprise to be honest," Slater said.

    "At the start of the week I was giving myself no chance whereas now I have done everything possible to get right for this game and I will do everything possible in the next seven days to be right.

    "If it comes up so be it, I have done what I can."

    But he also knows running on a treadmill is one thing - the real test will come when he hits the track to see how his knee handles acceleration and agility drills in the coming days.

    "I am going to give myself the best opportunity to get there but I'm not going to play if I don't think I can play properly," Slater said.

    "It is a big occasion and I'd love to be a part of it but I know how important it is to this team and to our country. I will be fit if I get there.

    "I have come back from this injury before and the test is when you accelerate and you are at top speed and changing direction and all that sort of stuff.

    "That is when I am going to know exactly where I am."

    If he makes it back it will give Slater the chance to erase the bitter memories from 2008 when he threw a wild pass that Benji Marshall snapped up for a try that gave the Kiwis the lead before they ran away with a shock victory.

    Slater is one of only five players in the squad that remains in the team today along with Cameron Smith, Paul Gallen, Johnathan Thurston and Greg Inglis.

    Asked if Slater risked further damage if he played and something went wrong, Ayoub added: "There is always a risk but we are not going to take a chance with someone of his calibre."And to be honest I don't think Billy would do that either.

    "If he thinks he can play a full 80 minutes he will make that decision himself with our advice.

    "But knowing the kid and knowing the gravity of the game that we are about to play and New Zealand is a quality team, you don't want to go out there with anyone who is not fit so I wouldn't take a chance."


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...gainst-the-kiwis/story-fni3fbgz-1226767293934


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    Smith says this WC campaign is not about trying to right what went wrong in 2008 final



    Cameron Smith says the first 80 minutes of this World Cup is what Australia built their campaign around - not what happened five years ago.

    And the Kangaroo captain is adamant Saturday's dream final against reigning champions New Zealand is not about trying to right what went wrong in the final in 2008.

    While so much of the focus in the build up is going to be about redemption, Smith said the past has nothing to do with the future.

    Asked if he was happy to be playing the Kiwis after they scored a last minute 20-18 victory over England, Smith said: "Not at all. It didn't bother me who we play as long as we are there.

    "2008 is a long time ago and I know we are not going to be using that as motivation.

    "Sure, it will be in the back of the minds of a few of the guys but we have a totally different team and a different coach.

    "Our motivation is to try and go out and be the best Australian team we can be in this tournament.

    "A lesson that we have learnt in the past, in 2008 and in 2010 (when the Kiwis beat the Kangaroos in the final of the Four Nations), it doesn't really matter what has happened in the four games prior in this campaign.

    "All that matters is what happens next Saturday and who goes out and plays the better football game and wants it more."

    But the Kangaroos will go into the final boasting the best attack and defence in the tournament so far.

    While everyone talks up the Kiwis as the attacking force of the World Cup, Australia have actually scored more points - 238 and conceded less - 22 in their five games so far.

    In comparison the Kiwis have piled on 206 points and conceded 56 in their five games.

    And the last try Australia let in was in the 76th minute of the opening match against but Smith said the fact that they allowed England to score 20 points against them was the motivation that they built this campaign around.

    "We were a little bit embarrassed really by our first performance," he said.

    "That wasn't our standards.

    "I remember the meet after that game and we sat down and said the only way we are going to win this tournament or have a chance of winning it is on our defence.

    "And we have worked really hard at training with that and all the boys bought into what we wanted to do.

    "The last Australian team to go four consecutive matches without a try against them was 30 years ago so that is something we are very proud of.

    "It is nice that we have done that up until now but it is going to need an even bigger effort defensively."


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    Australia haven't beaten NZ in a final since 2006 (even that was in golden point), and have lost three out of their last four. Don't see that changing this time ... dishing out beltings to underdogs won't be a great preparation for Australia in this one, and it will be great for NZ if Slater comes back into the side and gets Inglis away from fullback, too.

    Knowing Sheens he will probably drop Hayne for him! :lol:
     
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    Well James, if you are going to say that Australia haven't beaten NZ in a final since 2006 it's a bit unfair. In 2007, there was no tri/four nations and we had that one off test match which Australia one in record breaking fashion 58-0. In 2009, NZ failed to make the four nations final as England strolled in and Australia beat them 46-16.

    In 2011, NZ again failed to make the final when England hammered the Kiwis's and Australia ended up beating England in the final 30-8. In 2012, Australia beat the Kiwi's 18-10 in a one off test match. If Australia had a final against New Zealand in 2007, 2009, 2011 and 2012 Australia would of most likely beaten the Kiwi's so that stat of your's is basically a mute point.
     
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    Why? This is a final. Not a group match or one off test.
     
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    Exactly, New Zealand didn't even make the finals in 2009 and 2011 so I dont think the record of 3 of last 4 won is that great of a statistic.
     
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    Probably because NZ have only made a final twice since 2006. Australia are the current 4 nations champs and haven't lost to NZ in 3 years.

    NZ have looked shaky at times against all teams but France, they really struggled at times against PNG, Samoa and Scotland, they laid on the points in short bursts which is credit to them but they also let in plenty of soft tries and their momentum has never really lasted in games, they've made it tougher for themselves than these games should've been.

    Australia are full of confidence after not conceding a try in almost 6 hours of footy and absolutely dominating in the lead up. Some might say it's not ideal preparation but Australia earned the easy ride (which they've made look 100 times easier) after beating England, they're fresh and raring to go while NZ are banged up and probably considering themselves lucky to even be here. Australia have done it all before, they don't need warm ups, just like everyone said England would beat them because they didn't have a warm up and look what happened.

    I think this will be a repeat of the last time these 2 teams met this year.
     
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    I saw plenty of people bring up NZ losses to England in 2009 and 2011 as a reason why NZ would lose their semi to England, despite NZ's superior record overall against England. How come you didn't object to these posts?
     
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    New keyboard for [MENTION=978]Junior11[/MENTION] please, he's gone and jizzed all over another one.
     
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    Good to see Tuivasa-Sheck and Vatuvei will both be fit for NZ ... Pritchard still 50-50.
     
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    I didn't object to those posts due to England's poor record as of that far in the tournament. I believe England have been bad this year, but Australia have been better than ever in this cup. I don't wanna continue this argument any further until the game is over.
     
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    But you were tipping England ... ?

    Well, you brought up the whole thing ... whatever.

    I reckon NZ will win and those are my reasons in the earlier post, I'm sorry if people can't cope with that. :lol:
     
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    Yes, I tipped England but for only because I like tipping the underdogs. I certainly did not have any confidence in England winning.

    I can cope with you tipping New Zealand so we will wait and see what result the game will bring.
     
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    I can't waiiiiiiittttttt!!! This is going to be the longest week ever. :(
     
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    Yep I agree. Especially Saturday waiting for the game to start in the morning.
     

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