Discussion in 'General Rugby League' started by rhugh89, Feb 27, 2018.
If we are going to put Matt Hilder in there, then Scott Minto should be in first.
Did Scott Minto sew his head back on so he could play against the Storm ? Hilder had a heart as big as Minto's ears.
Barry, I read this I started to sway towards "the Brick" a journeyman who where ever he went lifted the team on his back to get a number of GFs , I know he was just a prop without any fancy ball work or sped to burn or a snappy step but maybe there is something to be said about running hard , quick play the balls and good defense, maybe we under sell Hard men up front who make room for the flashy types - who knows ??
Agreed, Norm Provan played lots, won heaps of grand finals etc playing in a very good side for a lot of years, Ken Irvine, winger scored heaps of tries, played with North Sydney for lots of years didn't win a grand final, didn't make it to grand final.
Both these men, completely different, deserving of an immortal nomination even an induction. Hard to seperate as careers were completely different and now by those judging probably slightly forgotten
NRL to unveil two new Immortals, six new Hall of Fame inductees
Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:15 AM
Rugby league's age-old Immortal debate just got juicier with the prospect of two additional Immortals being added to the game's most prestigious club in 2018.
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg confirmed the Immortals relaunching alongside modern day greats Wally Lewis, Mal Meninga and Darren Lockyer on Monday, with an induction to now be made every four years.
Meninga and Lockyer will be among many contenders for inclusion in the current eight-man Immortals group alongside the likes of St George icon Norm Provan, Roosters great Dally Messenger, legendary halfbacks Peter Sterling and Allan Langer, Ron Coote, Brad Fittler and record-breaking 1930s centre Dave Brown. The judging process will run up until an official vote in July.
The NRL is also revamping its Hall of Fame, with another six retired stars to be inducted alongside the inaugural 100 players first named as members during the 2008 Centenary Year celebrations.
Having now been officially brought under the NRL's banner, both the Immortals and Hall of Fame will have new eligibility criteria and structures outlined in a bid to add prestige and transparency around the game's highest awards.
"This is a significant occasion for our game as we celebrate the history of rugby league and recognise those who have shaped it," Greenberg said.
"Without question, one of the biggest topics in rugby league revolves around comparisons between heroes of our game… whether it's players from decades ago or those from the modern era.
"This year, we will induct an additional six players into a new NRL Hall of Fame.
"They will join the 100 Greats – named in our Centenary year 10 years ago – who gain automatic induction into the NRL Hall of Fame as the Charter Class.
"We will also relaunch the Immortals, with up to two players being given the ultimate honour in our game, every four years.
"And the first of those new Immortals will be chosen this year."
Messenger and Brown enter the Immortals race
Brad Walter Senior Reporter
Mon 19 Mar 2018, 12:00 PM
Dally Messenger or Darren Lockyer? Dave Brown or Mal Meninga? And what about Norm Provan?
Those are questions which are set to be debated until the next Immortals are inducted at the end of the Telstra Premiership season after the NRL introduced new initiatives to acknowledge the 110-year history of the game.
For the first time since the establishment of the Immortals concept in 1981, players from the pre-World War II era will be considered - meaning the feats of Messenger and Brown will be compared to those of Lockyer, Meninga, Provan and another 87 eligible players.
The Immortals re-launch has occurred after the NRL acquired ownership of Rugby League Week following the closure of the magazine last year.
With the game also taking control of the Dally M awards there are now three tiers of recognition for the achievements of the game’s best players:
NRL Awards Manager Frank Puletua has spent 12 months establishing a process and rules that ensure the game's history will be celebrated more regularly and with greater integrity than in the past.
Hall of Fame & Immortals program explained
From this season, up to two Immortals will be selected every four years and those players will be nominated from the Hall of Fame, which currently comprises the 100 players inducted during the game's centenary celebrations in 1908.
Eight of those players – Clive Churchill, Bob Fulton, Reg Gasnier, John Raper (all 1981), Graeme Langlands, Wally Lewis (both 1999), Arthur Beetson (2003) and Andrew Johns (2012) – have already been given Immortals status, leaving 92 eligible for consideration this year.
To be chosen as an Immortal is the greatest honour a player can receive and it is widely considered that to earn the accolade a player needs to have changed the game or had an impact beyond his career.
In addition, a further six players will be inducted to the Hall of Fame from a short list of 25 to be announced next month, which is likely to include some players who were ineligible in 2008 as they were still either playing or hadn't been retired for five years.
Current superstars such as Jonathan Thurston and Cameron Smith cannot be considered for nomination as Immortals before 2025 as they will not have been retired for five years when the next nominations are made in 2021.
However, they may be eligible for inclusion in the Hall of Fame before then as up to four new inductees will be selected every year.
There will also be Hall of Fame categories for coaches, referees and contributors, such as administrators, commentators and journalists.
Among those likely to come under consideration as contributors are JJ Giltinan, Jersey Flegg, Ken Arthurson, John Quayle, Frank Hyde and Rex Mossop.
A screening committee will choose five players to be considered as Immortals and a voting panel will select a minimum of one and a maximum of two.
Great to see the Hall of Fame re-launched, We haven't had any inductees since 2007
I like the idea of 2 new immortals every 4 years as well
Great to hear they have scrapped the post 1945 rule as well because too often the great players prior to that are forgotten
I also like the fact that current greats won't be eligible for a few years, It's a chance to put things right
4 years is a bit short i'd prefer 8 years that seems to be about right for a career, id also like them to be able to say no immortal this year, not so much now but once we start getting up around 20 we start diluting the talent and what I think makes it so good is the quality that miss out
I agree, we've only had 8 since 1981 and 2 since 2000.
As long as they don't include Cam Smith.
A grub who had two contracts during the Storm's notorious cheating days and that stays with him same as Gallen et al drug cheating taking the 'convenience' plea.
Gallen was never in the conversation to become an immortal anyway, even before the peptide stuff came up. Everything that was said about him being a plodder who racked up stats before the peptides was right. Same goes for the others.
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