Brendan Elliot's concussion

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  1. Joshhh

    Joshhh OnARampageFuelledByGod

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    That could be hard to rule on. If that was the case Sione would have been sent off for just standing his ground, his shoulder was the thing that knocked Rochow out.
     
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    jamesgould Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus Staff Member Admin

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    Great (and rare) to see some assertive action on an important issue from the NRL! One step at a time though @88Knight4life , they need a few weeks for the heart rate to return to normal after doing this!
     
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    rhugh89 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Club Statement: NRL Breach Notice


    Mon 20th March, 01:51PM


    The nib Newcastle Knights were issued with a verbal Breach Notice by the NRL on Monday following Saturday’s match against the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

    Once the Club receives the formal Breach Notice and understands the details of the breach, the Club will provide a response within the timeframe.

    The Club will not be in a position to make further comment until the process is complete.


    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2017/03/20/club_statement_nrl_b.html
     
  4. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Pretend fine for the media.
    They won't collect it till the end of the season, but because we'll have been really, really good boys by then, they'll waive the fine.
     
  5. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    Hahaha.
    True, they will need to higher a independent group to null this one out at a cost of roughly 4mil then have 8-10 press conferences to say its a work in progress and they are getting closer to a agreement between clubs and player association..

    They should have it pretty close to righ by 2027 then change everything and start again... gotta love bankers and devon heads running footy
     
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    Kurriboy Jason Moodie

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    We are owned by the NRL, are they fining themselves here? Ditto for GC.
     
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    There are some options available. The NRL could appoint independent doctors to each match to judge concussion rather than club doctors, or another option might be if a team loses a player due to concussion in a tackle worthy of a penalty the offending player is also removed from the game for the remaining duration
     
  8. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    If it were mandatory that you missed the next game when going off with a head injury, as it should be, there wouldn't be many faking it.
     
  9. Kurriboy

    Kurriboy Jason Moodie

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    The problem with that Hunterelvis is any old bump to the noggin gets a penalty these days. Teams will milk it by having a player stay down and come off if an opposing superstar happens to get them. Penalty given, average player leaves the field with "concussion" for the game and opposing superstar takes no further part.

    The only way I can see this being settled is if the NRL provides the doctors to do the assessment, 1 per team. At the sign of an on field concussion, or even an injury, the doc can run out and be right there for the trainer assessment. If the doc says he has to go that's it.

    To enforce it, the referee should be there also, the doc tells the ref he has to come off, the ref orders the player off to head bin. If the player refuses the refs order he can be sent off for dissent.
     
  10. 88Knight4life

    88Knight4life Matthew Johns

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    Pretty much my view as well.

    Though the nrl should only appoint 1 doctor per game not per team.
    8 games 8 independent doctors with no bias toward said side or players
     
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    Kurriboy Jason Moodie

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    I was figuring for head clashes which are all too common these days where both players go down for the count.

    Though usually one comes away ok.

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    Fitzsimmons has been all over the concussion thing for years. And sadly lots of ammunition when knights concerned.... Fa'oso, Rochow, McManus and now Elliot
     
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    From the SMH:
    'The NRL won't retrospectively fine clubs who were warned over concussion handling in the first two rounds of the season'.

    So other clubs copped warnings in regards to concussion protocols, yet the slightest bit of media hysteria suddenly results in $100,000 fines for the same thing. Not defending the Knights as they may well have done the wrong thing, but it just shows how reactive the NRL are with these things
     
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    member 2299 Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Well one would think with a melon as rough as Fitzsimons, he would be a world expert on head butts, high tackles and concussion. I wonder if he wears a bandanna to bed to cover it up from Lisa?

    Anyone who was down and out as Elliot was should be taken off for at least the test. And I thought this independent doctor business had been resolved a couple of seasons ago.
     
  15. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Doctors would consider talk of the need for "independent" doctors as insulting. I doubt you'd find any doctor who would disrespect other doctors by agreeing to act as "independent". All doctors take an oath to act in the interest of their patients first and foremost.

    The Herald says Elliot passed his test yesterday and will play on Friday.
     
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    member 2299 Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    We know Billy. They stick together like baby poop to a bunny rug. Elliot had no test as he never left the field after the Hunt hit and he should have. Hence the breach notice.
     
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    This is the way to go imo ......Something else I think is when a player is hit high and has bad concussion and is out of the game then the guy that hit him should be out too and if the injured player is out next week because of that hit then the guy in trouble should not start his suspension until the injured player is ruled fit to play ....Why should the offender be out for the same time as the victim ....
     
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    Ethan Clint Newton

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    Easy fix no club doctors at the games only doctors employed by the nrl 1 per game to triage all injuries .....
    All doctors take an oath to act in the interest of their patients first and foremost. This is a nice thought but doesn't mean its practiced ...
    Try getting into your doctor the second time if you don't pay the first time I bet they don't have any appointments...I went to my heart specialist $365 for 11 minutes they rang and said she wanted to see me to discuss my Test results I said sorry I cant afford another $365 and they said ok and hung up haven't heard a word since that's 5 months ago now ....
     
  19. Ethan

    Ethan Clint Newton

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    Saints are saying it was a jaw injury and not concussion so if they get off the fine so should we because Elliot was definatly hit in the jaw too .
     
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    NRL’s concussion crackdown: Dragons, Knights and Titans handed massive fines for policy breach


    Paul Crawley and Barry Toohey, The Daily Telegraph
    March 20, 2017 5:41pm
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    ST GEORGE Illawarra and Newcastle are ready to fight for the integrity of their medical staff and challenge the NRL over the massive $100,000 fines imposed on the clubs for concussion breaches.

    In an unprecedented crackdown, the Dragons and Knights were hit with the breaches following incidents involving fullbacks Josh Dugan and Brendan Elliot during matches over the weekend.

    Gold Coast were also hit with a record $150,000 fine for the club’s alleged failure to have three Titans players — Kane Elgey, Joe Greenwood and Ryan Simpkins — taken from the field for concussion assessments.

    NRL boss Todd Greenberg defended the fines, claiming the three clubs had breached concussion policy.

    “Our rules are so clear and they are very specific,” he said.

    “If a player is lying motionless on the ground, they must be removed for an assessment and the person best placed to do that is the doctor. That didn’t happen yesterday,” he said in relation to Dugan.

    “I don’t want to get into each specific incident from the weekend because by and large, what I’d say is clubs have done a very good job over the past three years — doctors, trainers, coaches, players — adjusting to new policies and directions from the game.

    “But what I saw over the weekend I was very disappointed on some incidents and we have acted on those today.

    “I hope it sends a very strong message.

    “Safety of the players I’ve said for a long time is the number one priority and today’s decision I think cements that.”

    Greenberg said stiffer penalties, including the docking of competition points and deregistration of officials may be considered if clubs refuse to abide by the rules.

    The Daily Telegraph understands both the Dragons and Knights were stunned when they were contacted by the NRL and made aware of the pending fines.

    In the Dragons’ case, the club was actually assisting the NRL on Sunday with a trial procedure that allows on-field trainers to speak directly with the doctor on the sideline.

    But in a bizarre twist, The Daily Telegraph has learned respected Dragons doctor Tom Carrigan, head of accident and emergency at Wollongong Public Hospital, did not have access to replays to review Josh Dugan’s injury because the NRL’s own injury assessment tent was not functioning at the time.

    The Dragons are adamant both Carrigan and the club’s head of athletic performance Nathan Pickworth followed the necessary concussion guidelines.

    It is understood Pickworth initially did not see Dugan go down because he was monitoring the welfare of another player.

    But as soon as Pickworth arrived to attend to Dugan, the star fullback was conscious and showing no effects of concussion.

    The initial fear was that Dugan had suffered a jaw injury, while Pickworth was taking extra caution because of a previous neck injury that had required surgery.

    NRL chief medical officer Dr Paul Bloomfield also attended the game in an official but it is unclear if he consulted with Carrigan.

    Knights CEO Matt Gidley did not want to comment on the fine.

    “Until we have a look at the breach notice to see exactly what is detailed in it, we can’t make any comment,” he said.

    Like the Dragons, the Knights seem certain to mount a strong defence.

    “Tony Ayoub is one of the most respected medical high performance managers in the NRL and he was the trainer who attended to Brendan on the field,” one source said.

    “He was with him within seconds because he was already on the field and Brendan was responsive and had no trouble with the on-field concussion tests the players are put through.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...h/news-story/aca4e407d7b3d9eaec4f904bdaed079c
     

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