Discussion in 'Knights Signings, Rumours & Player Movement' started by Kurriboy, Aug 7, 2017.
They'll have a 6 & 9 for sure, (look for Dib's balls on Dessie's chin and vice versa)
Meh, even if that is so. The 200k increase was tiny and hardly worth all the bluster the 5 carried on with. They stood on their dig and secured a 2% increase. You would think the Dogs would be bitterly disappointed with that figure, and the other 5 also.
So my point is still, hardly worth bothering with it all in the first place.
Rugby League Players Association refuses NRL’s $9.4m salary cap deal
MICHAEL CARAYANNIS, The Daily Telegraph
an hour ago
THE NRL’s pay war is expected to drag on for a few more weeks after chief executive Todd Greenberg unable to convince the Rugby League Players Association to accept a new deal when the two parties met on Friday, placing the $9.4 million salary cap in jeopardy.
Despite receiving unanimous backing from clubs on Thursday, the RLPA refused to sign off on a new collective bargaining agreement on Friday, claiming the two parties remain “apart on many key financial and non-financial aspects of the agreement.”
The RLPA anticipated a resolution was now weeks away.
Greenberg met with RLPA boss Ian Prendergast for an hour on Friday but a deal was unable to be struck.
The RLPA board will meet this weekend before players are updated at a mass meeting on Monday.
It is understood the main sticking points include the RLPA’s push for a guaranteed revenue share and other areas such as a say in integrity issues, insurance plus wellbeing and education programs.
While the salary cap figure is understood to match the RLPA’s expectations, it too is now thrown into question because a cap figure cannot be signed off until the rest of the CBA is agreed upon.
An RLPA statement said “significant progress” had been made since Greenberg became involved in negotiations.
“Alignment has been achieved on a number of matters,” the statement read.
“The RLPA intend to continue negotiations with the NRL to address these outstanding matters and believe an agreement can be reached in coming weeks if time continues to be committed to the negotiation process.”
The NRL’s offer has given the players what they consider to be 29.5 per cent of projected revenue which equates to a 52 per cent pay rise for players. The players would also receive a 25 per cent share of the game’s upside should it exceed revenue forecasts.
It was a deal a host of club’s said was too good to refuse when they emerged from Thursday’s meeting.
Threats of boycotting the Dally Ms, the captain’s call during the finals series and a grand final fan day remain on the table should talks sour.
“The RLPA will seek direction from our board over the weekend and update players at a mass meeting on Monday,” the RLPA said.
“It is unfortunate the RLPA will not be in a position to take an in-principle agreement to its members for consideration during that meeting, but we are committed to continue working towards reaching an agreement over the coming weeks.”
RLPA are like unions.... they will cripple the game in a decade....
Where were u when Ese'ese got dropped for signing with knights? Or the numerous head knock issues this yr?
Ur meant to be here for the players, seems like ur here for a pay day.
52% pa rise and if the next profit is higher then forcasted they want another25% again.
Atm it looks like the next tv deal will be way less, can the nrl then go back to them asking for the pay rise of 52% back? Doubt it highly.
Bye bye rugby league.
It'll go back to the days of 300-400k being top dollar not average.
And watch all the entitled talent go to union.
How long until we start seeing player strikes every agreement like us sports.
Fark off union is dead. Wish it wasn't but Australian rugby is dead ATM
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Doesnt have to be australian union.
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Pay deal: NRL players poised to hit $1 billion jackpot in deal Todd Greenberg says can unite rugby league
DAVID RICCIO, EXCLUSIVE, The Sunday Telegraph
August 19, 2017 8:04pm
NRL players are poised to secure a $1 billion payday chief executive Todd Greenberg believes can unite the code like never before in its 109-year history.
In what would prove a landmark victory for the players, the Rugby League Players’ Association has the power to end months of tense negotiations by accepting a Collective Bargaining Agreement that includes a 50 per cent pay rise for players and the highest minimum wage in Australian sport.
As of Friday, the RLPA was not willing to accept the deal, insisting the NRL’s guaranteed offer to the players that they receive almost 30 per cent of projected revenue fell short of their demands.
The deal will be presented to a mass meeting of players from the nine Sydney clubs and the seven regional and interstate clubs via video link by the RLPA on Monday.
There are several major points within the deal which indicate how the RLPA has maximised the fortunes and working environment for players.
The Sunday Telegraph can reveal they include:
● An unprecedented $3.75 million allocation in funding for women’s rugby league and a contract system which helps take the women’s game into a professional era;
● A new $3 million per year Injury Hardship Fund for players who suffer career-ending injuries and which will be administered by players, not the NRL;
● A “revenue share” model, guaranteeing them almost 30 per cent of earnings from broadcast rights, sponsorship and other revenue streams;
● The minimum salary for NRL players will rise from $80,000 to $120,000 while the average salary will increase from $280,000 to $340,000 at the end of the five-year agreement.
“This deal has the potential to unite the game like never before,’’ Greenberg said.
“I say that because we have made the players genuine partners in the game.
“For the first time they will have a fixed share of income — and they will share in any upside we enjoy in the future. So we will all be on the same page. The more the players do to promote and make the game successful, the more players and grassroots will benefit in the future.’’
Until Friday, the RLPA had continued to haggle with the NRL over “key financial and non-financial aspects of the agreement’’.
However, the likelihood of a deal being struck on Monday — without the players having to deliver on a threat of strike action and before the current agreement expires in October — remains a possibility.
Also included in the CBA is the promise that 81 cents in every dollar in the game goes to funding or supporting the NRL, while the rest goes to grassroots. And in another win for the players, they will have more flexible training and working conditions.
The RLPA is hoping every player from each of the 16 clubs will be available to decide whether to accept or reject the offer at Monday’s meeting.
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg wants to overhaul third party agreements
MATT LOGUE, The Daily Telegraph
February 9, 2018 5:00pm
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg has vowed to overhaul the contentious third party deal system, including placing a salary cap on players’ extra earnings.
Amid calls for TPA’s to be altered or scrapped altogether, Greenberg says he is determined to find the right structure for all parties.
He said third party deals will be on the agenda at the CEO’s first meeting for 2018 next week.
Greenberg understands the criticism aimed at TPAs, and it’s why he wants to discuss options to create an even playing field for all clubs.
“It is clear that we need some change and that we can evolve and modernise TPA’s,” Greenberg said.
“We are going to have a very open workshop with all 16 club chiefs. Our salary cap guys will come in the room and we are going to talk very openly about the challenges of the current system and how we think there are ways to improve it.
“We will then take some of those leanings and sit with the RLPA, who have also demonstrated in our CBA negotiations that they are very open to look at the TPA system.
“There are a whole pile of questions we need to answer, because ultimately the salary cap is there to ensure that talent is equalised across the competition and that is our great strength.
“So any changes or additions we make to the TPA system will need to reflect that as well.”
Greenberg said he isn’t sure what an ideal third party system would entail, but he’ll welcome any suggestions.
He said a cap for TPA’s would also be discussed in a bid to create fairness across all 16 NRL clubs.
For example — as a one team town, Brisbane can attract more third party deals than Parramatta given the Eels’ market is confined to a section of Sydney compared to an entire major city.
Greenberg recognises this discrepancy and wants to find a resolution for all clubs.
“When I talk to lots of people who have issues with TPAs, I hear a lot of problems and not a lot of solutions,” he said.
“That happens quite often in the game, but I’m really conscious that the club CEO’s want to have a strong voice in how we do this.
“It’s why I’m looking forward to discussion with them next week.
“The RLPA have been very good and open about the concept of change.
“We are going to welcome those discussions with Ian and his team — because it’s clear we need to make some changes.”
Parramatta CEO Bernie Gurr publicly backed a salary cap for third party deals prior to his arrival at the Eels in 2016.
Gurr believes a cap would help create an equal system.
“I don’t know what that number for a cap is, but we’d need to do some detailed financial modelling around how that would work,” Gurr said.
“But conceptually I think it works.
“It will be something I’m sure we will discuss with the CEO group.”
Despite conceding the current third party system isn’t perfect, Greenberg said he was encouraged by the game’s stars earning extra income outside of their contract fee.
“When I see Billy Slater on a billboard in Melbourne promoting a company, I think that is a good thing for Billy and a great thing for the game,” he said.
“So we need to balance our expectations about seeing our elite athletes and the stars of the game continuing to derive additional income — which also sets them up for their careers after football — against some of the challenges the current system has
“The clubs and the RLPA are open for the discussion now, as am I, and I would hope that we’d spend a few months in the beginning part of this year finding ways to come up with a new system.”
Cue the whining from those saying "We should not be sending money away from the game"!
The fault in that argument is the money for TPA's is behind the scene money, secret money nobody knows about. From what I've read it is not unheard of that promised TPA money never eventuates for the player, and as they can't be guaranteed the player has no leg to stand on.
Also, these businessmen injecting this money in to the game are doing so only for one club, after having the hard word put on them by the club bag man that they need to secure X player and need an amount of TPA to secure them.
Those same business men can put that money in to league if they still wish to, there are plenty of chances, junior league, corporate sponsorship etc.
It's a flawed argument.
Will never go through in my opinion. If the RLPA are any good they won't let it pass. Restriction of earnings and all that BS will come up and the NRL won't have a leg to stand on.
Well, apparently the RLPA want the TPA system abolished.
Whether they have their eyes on unrestricted back room deals that don't need to be declared to the NRL at all is another thing entirely.
RPLA is smart enough to understand that in this situation, you say one thing and do another.
What they're saying is: we support fairness and the rules of the game
What they will do is: support whatever policies result in improved player equity
Salary cap should be just that. Something each team has to play under with no extra $$$ from third part etc
Ideally yes. By its very definition it meant to be a maximum amount you can spend.
Look at it from this perspective using Fantasy NRL as a model: every participant starts with a set amount of money, a cap if you will.
Now imagine that a participant struggles to manage their cap and has a poor strategy, but they have a fat wallet in the real world. So they pay some cash outside of the same cap everyone else is working with and builds a team of elite players that is very difficult to compete with.
Their argument is that if they have access to extra money, why can't they spend it?
Answer: Because it gives them an unfair competitive advantage.
The NRL needs to have the balls to draw a line in the sand. A cap is just that, a cap.
Suggesting that they put a second cap on TPA spending that many clubs couldn't attract makes a mockery of the system.
Wearing 2 caps makes you look pretty stupid don't you think?
Turdburg says a whole lot of things and those things remain unchanged.
Hard to believe he was CEO of one of the games biggest rorters!
Policing any payment to players outside the cap is impossible, whatever system you put in place someone will find away around it. In an ideal world the cap would level things up and no player, his manager or club would look elsewhere for additional payment.
How many people have had more than one job at a time, any player could claim additional payments are for working at say a mine, turns up 5 days a week, clocks on, goes about his own business, clocks off, receives 100k annually for doing nothing, players happy, managers happy, clubs happy and fans are ecstatic as they have that all important star player they thought they couldn't afford.
Best way is ban businesses etc from sponsoring players, make any tap go through club and be used in addition to club cap. Cap+ would benefit all and donations etc would be less likely coming as they are not sponsoring a certain player and then audit would show who is getting what, cap+ could be regulated at a % of cap.
All said and done still don't think it will fully work or be regulated
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