2016 NYC Holden Cup

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  1. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Meaney has been playing against seniors in the North Coast competition in previous years, and I think that shows.
    He is a massive improver over the season.
    In the first few games he seemed to struggle under the high ball and with his positioning, especially in defence, but he just keeps getting better.
    It's interesting that some of our biggest improvers this year have come from outside junior systems - like the Saifiti's last year. We have seen Penn from NZ, Soper-Lawler and Joey Morris from the local comp and Meaney from Ballina all get better and better as the year goes on.
    It just shows you have to keep the door open for late developers.
     
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    What about Meaney's ball-playing skills mate, How are they ??

    Soper-Lawler has really impressed me, He has been great this year

    Who would you be looking to promote to ISP next year from this group or do you think some of them could do with another year in NYC ??

    Starling is another one I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on too
     
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    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Meaney doesn't have the same playmaking skills as the guy he is keeping out at the moment, Matt Cooper. Next year they might have to put Meaney up to ISP just so they can use Matt Cooper at fullback. Cooper has player for NSW and even been in the origin pathways programme at under 18s level, and he is a very skilful playmaker at fullback.

    Starling is a freak. He has the fitness to play hard for 80 minutes in attack and defence and he has the vision of a halfback as well. The only question is if a 170cm tall guy can make it to the NRL.
     
  4. Aidos

    Aidos Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Soper-Lawler looks like he'll be a great all-round winger. Good pace and excellent under the high ball, etc.

    Not sure why Tuilotolava doesn't start more often as he seems like a better backrower than most of the others in the team.
     
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    How old is Cooper mate ??

    Maybe Starling to ISP to see if he can handle it ??

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    That puzzled me about Eddy too, He does average 56 minutes per game though
     
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    Aidos Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    If Starling can bulk up a bit he might be ok. Kurt Baptiste is also a short DH from the Raiders and he's very handy.
     
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  7. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    17/18.
    He was in the NSW under 18s extended squad this year.
    He played in the NSW under 16s side alongside Starling, O'Hagan, Jones and someone else a few years ago.

    I don't think Eddy compares well with Sam Stone as a second rower. Sam is a year younger, plays much longer minutes, makes twice the tackles and misses very few, where Eddy misses a lot, and Stone also has much safer hands and a few ball playing skills. Eddy has more impact and probably runs more metres when on the field, but I'd rather have 5 Sam's than 5 Eddy's.

    Stone plays 80 minutes most weeks - averages 27.3 tackles per game (1.8 missed) and just under 100 metres ran.
    Eddy plays 50 or 60 minutes - averages 14 tackles per game (2.7 missed) and just under 100 metres run.

    Stone is also a year younger and has been improving steadily all this year, while Eddy seems about the same as he was at the start of the year.
     
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    NYC Preview: Round 24

    Thu 18th August, 05:50PM
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    NYC Newcastle Knights v Gold Coast Titans

    Venue: Hunter Stadium
    Date: Saturday August 20
    NYC Kick off: 10.40am

    Teams:

    NEWCASTLE KNIGHTS

    1. Nick Meaney, 2. Kainoa Gudgeon, 3. Cory Denniss, 4. Henry Penn, 5. Matthew Soper-Lawler, 6. Nick Newman, 7. Jack Cogger, 8. Tyrone Amey, 9. Tom Starling, 10. Jayden Butterfield, 11. Zac Hosking, 12. Sam Stone, 13. Braden Robson. Interchange: 14. Joe Morris, 15. Heath Gibbs, 16. Cameron King, 17. Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, 18. Eddy Tuilotolava.

    GOLD COAST TITANS

    1. AJ Brimson, 2. Fred Keil, 3. Phillip Sami, 4. John Olive, 5. Christian Mika, 6. Josh Rogers, 7. Josh Ralph, 8. Max King, 9. Jordan Scott, 10. Nathan Watts, 11. Simione Fatafehi, 12. Sam Swift, 13. Apiata Noema. Interchange: 14. Ethan Roberts, 16. Kurt Bernard, 17. Kobe Tararo, 18. Brett Stratton.

    Match Analysis:

    It’s a match between two NYC teams desperate to keep their finals hopes alive on Saturday when the Newcastle Knights take on the Gold Coast Titans at Hunter Stadium.

    The 10th placed Knights’ impressed last weekend with a 32-24 win over the top-of-the-table Panthers and look to harness the confidence from that victory to continue their trajectory into the top eight.

    “They did everything we asked them to do, and to their credit they played tough and played well,” coach Todd Lowrie said.

    “We needed a win and that’s what they did to beat Penrith.

    “We have spoken about the fact we need to keep winning and how we are going to do that and the things we need to put in place to make sure that happens.

    “The boys are all pretty switched on and seem like they are up for it.”

    While the Knights are resolute on continuing their winning ways as they approach the pointy end of the season, he knows the Titans will feel the same kind of urgency.

    “The Titans are sitting at 11th place have been a bit similar to us and have been a bit up and down,” he said.

    “From watching their last few games, they look like they like to throw the ball around a bit and have some quite talented players.

    “We will need to be defensively good and on our game and try to limit what they come up with. They are certainly throwing the footy around lately and have some good wins."

    The presence of NRL experienced players Cory Dennis (centre) and Jack Cogger (half back) is likely to be a benefit for the young Knights.

    “Those two were great for us last week,’ he said.

    “Just to have a couple of those more experience blokes at this time of the year is great on top of a couple of guys who are playing all year.”

    Where it will be won: Energy

    “I think we need to bring the amount of energy we had last week and our defence will have to be really good as they like to throw the ball around a lot,’ Lowrie said.

    “They have plenty of offloads and like to ask us plenty of questions.

    “I’m confident we can score enough points.”


    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/08/19/nyc_preview_round_24.html




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    HALFTIME - NYC HOLDEN CUP

    Gold Coast Titans - 16 (T: Ralph 2, Keil; G: Rogers 2/3)
    Newcastle Knights - 10 (T: Denniss, Gudgeon; G: Robson 1/2)

    TEAM

    1. Nick Meaney
    2. Kainoa Gudgeon
    3. Cory Denniss
    4. Henry Penn
    5. Matthew Soper-Lawler
    6. Nick Newman
    7. Jack Cogger
    8. Tyrone Amey
    9. Tom Starling
    10. Jayden Butterfield
    11. Zac Hosking
    12. Sam Stone
    13. Braden Robson

    15. Heath Gibbs
    16. Cameron King
    17. Jamayne Taunoa-Brown
    19. Jake McNamara
     
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    danknights Steve Simpson

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    How we going? Any good?
     
  11. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    up 30-20 after 72 minutes.
    big Cameron King has a double.
     
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    Aidos Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Soper-Lawler is all class. I wonder how long it will take him to get a NRL wing spot. He already looks better than Elliot.
     
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    FULLTIME - NYC HOLDEN CUP

    Newcastle Knights - 36 (T: King 2, Denniss, Gudgeon, Stone, Soper-Lawler, Cogger; G: Robson 2/5, Newman 1/1, Amey 1/1)
    Gold Coast Titans - 24 (T: Ralph 2, Keil 2, Mika; G: Rogers 2/5)

    TEAM

    1. Nick Meaney
    2. Kainoa Gudgeon
    3. Cory Denniss
    4. Henry Penn
    5. Matthew Soper-Lawler
    6. Nick Newman
    7. Jack Cogger
    8. Tyrone Amey
    9. Tom Starling
    10. Jayden Butterfield
    11. Zac Hosking
    12. Sam Stone
    13. Braden Robson

    15. Heath Gibbs
    16. Cameron King
    17. Jamayne Taunoa-Brown
    19. Jake McNamara

    We were down 16-4 at one stage so it was a great effort to come back and get the win against a team who has won 3 out of their last 4 games with 2 of those wins being against top 5 teams (Eels and Tigers)

    With the Broncos losing last night we will be in 9th now

    If the Raiders lose tomorrow (They have a tough game against the 5th placed Eels) we will be just 1 point out of the 8
     
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    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Good win.
    Nice touch letting Amey take the last kick.
    He is one of the few in the team too old for NYC next year.
     
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    Well done!
     
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    NYC Knights topple Titans

    Sat 20th August, 11:30AM
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    The NYC Newcastle Knights beat the Gold Coast Titans 36-24 at Hunter Stadium on Saturday afternoon to keep their finals hopes alive.

    It was a bright start for the young Knights, as a short kick off fell in their favour to give them great early field position.

    While two penalties soon after gave the young Novocastrians even more of an advantage, the Titans held firm in defence to keep the Knights scoreless.

    Two minutes later the away side were up the other end, and halfback Josh Ralph collected a neat offload to run 20 metres and score.

    Halves partner Josh Rogers converted, but the Knights were back in it with 13 minutes on the clock when Cory Denniss latched onto a bomb to score.

    The away side scored again nine minutes later, winger Fred Keil breaking out of a tackle out wide to run 30 metres and score.

    Soon after the Titans were over for their third, Ralph getting a lucky bounce from a chip to beat Nick Meaney and gain another four points.

    The young Knights got back into the game three minutes from half time, Tom Starling dinking through a grubber for Kainoa Gudgeon to score in the right corner. Robson did well to convert, pushing the half time score to 16-10.

    A strong start to the second half saw the Knights score five minutes in, prop Cameron King carrying three defenders over the line to get the ball down.

    Robson missed the conversion to leave the red and blues two points behind the Titans, but six minutes later the Knights were over again when Denniss made a break and passed out wide for Sam Stone to score.

    It only got better for the Knights in the 55th minute, as Zac Hosking broke through the line and produced a nice offload for King to get his second. Nick Newman took over kicking duties and converted from straight in front, pushing the score to 26-16.

    The Titans finally kicked back into gear with 16 minutes left on the clock, Christian Mika seizing on a dropped ball from Denniss to run 30 metres and score.

    Rogers missed the conversion from out on the sideline, and five minutes later Matt Soper-Lawler got a try from dummy-half to push the Knights’ lead back out to ten points.

    Two minutes from time the Titans pegged one back via Keil, and Rogers missed the conversion.

    It was the Knights that got the last say of the match though, Jack Cogger diving beneath the uprights seconds before full time to make the final score 36-24.

    SUMMARY

    Newcastle Knights 36 (T: Denniss, Gudgeon, King 2, Stone, Soper-Lawler, Cogger; G: Robson 2/5, Newman 1/1, Amey 1/1)
    Gold Coast Titans 24 (T: Ralph 2, Keil 2, Mika; G: Rogers 2/5)

    NEWCASTLE KNIGHTS

    1. Nick Meaney, 2. Kainoa Gudgeon, 3. Cory Denniss, 4. Henry Penn, 5. Matthew Soper-Lawler, 6. Nick Newman, 7. Jack Cogger, 8. Tyrone Amey, 9. Tom Starling, 10. Jayden Butterfield, 11. Zac Hosking, 12. Sam Stone, 13. Braden Robson. Interchange: 15. Heath Gibbs, 16. Cameron King, 17. Jamayne Taunoa-Brown, 19. Jake McNamara.


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  17. Billy

    Billy Danny 'Bedsy' Buderus

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    Sam Stone followed up his 162 metres last week with 158 this week.
    He also made 23 tackles - 0 missed.
    He was playing under 18s last year, so is 18/19 years old.
    He has been one of our best defenders all year with very high number of tackles and very few missed.
    He is playing 80 minutes every game and making plenty of metres now.
    He is 194cm tall, which makes him as tall as Pauli Pauli.
    Last year he played some 5/8, and he has some playmaking skills.

    I'd say Sam Stone is the guy who is putting his hand up as the guy who most deserves to train with the seniors in the off season.
     
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    NYC Holden Cup - Round 24 Results and Updated Ladder


    Canterbury Bulldogs - 30
    Brisbane Broncos - 28


    Wests Tigers - 22
    Penrith Panthers - 14


    Newcastle Knights - 36
    Gold Coast Titans - 24



    Melbourne Storm - 28
    Manly Sea Eagles - 28


    North Queensland Cowboys - 34
    New Zealand Warriors - 0


    Canberra Raiders - 28
    Parramatta Eels - 12


    St George Illawarra Dragons - 25
    Sydney Roosters - 24


    Cronulla Sharks - 18
    South Sydney Rabbitohs - 16



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    So for us to make the 8 we would need to win our last 2 games and the Raiders would need to lose both or draw one and lose one

    Each teams fixtures below, Pretty much no chance at all

    We will look back at those 2 losses against the Bulldogs and Manly who were bottom 2 at the time with huge regret

    Round 25

    Newcastle Knights (9th) vs South Sydney Rabbitohs (15th)
    Canberra Raiders (8th) vs Manly Sea Eagles (16th)

    Round 26

    Newcastle Knights (9th) vs St George Illawarra Dragons (4th)
    Canberra Raiders (8th) vs Wests Tigers (6th)
     
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    [FONT=&amp]Holden Cup -[/FONT] Knights v Rabbitohs

    Hunter Stadium
    Sunday August 28
    Gates open: 11.30am
    NYC: 1.45pm

    1. Nick Meaney
    2. Kainoa Gudgeon
    3. Brayden Musgrove
    4. Henry Penn
    5. Matthew Soper-Lawler
    6. Nick Newman
    7. Jack Cogger
    8. Tyrone Amey
    9. Tom Starling
    10. Jayden Butterfield
    11. Zac Hosking
    12. Sam Stone
    13. Braden Robson

    14. Joe Morris
    15. Heath Gibbs
    16. Cameron King
    17. Jamayne Taunoa-Brown


    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/08/23/nyc_and_reserve_grad.html
     
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    Canberra beat Manly 56-22 today so we can't make the finals
     

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