Your team for 2019

Billy said:
The whole 5 years to make the team competitive is the biggest load of codswallop on these forums.
Des Hasler will probably have Manly competitive in 3 months from now, or 1 year at the most, and he won't do it by sacking everyone, employing new people, and then sacking them.
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True Billy, but Des has actually got quality players to start with.

We didn't.
 
Our lack of success should be attributed to our lack of junior development and juniors thinking they deserve their shot without proving anything. I'm a bit stunned some of those players from the past 10-15 yrs have come back and are now coaching our juniors. Surely we can do better.
 
Be surprised if the likes of that big fella from Manly leave now Des is there. Even less to choose from.
 
Far out people can whinge and b*tch about what Brown has/hasn’t done. Ffs deal with it. Move on. Otherwise have a bloody crack yourselves and see how well things are done.
 
This year coming will be a real litmus test for Brown. He has jettisoned a lot of players, brought in a lot of players, and now has the coaching staff and players to form a very solid team. For mine, Brown should be judged on 2019 regardless of which players (if any) we pick up with the pot of salary cap space we currently have, given his involvement in getting us to that point.

I think Brown has done a fantastic job in building the team he wants, however 2019 will be the test of whether he can coach them effectively. If he can't, then I won't be surprised if Brown is let go or moved into a managerial position rather than a head coach role.
 
Manly have a far superior squad right now. Would be extremely unfair on Brown to judge him up against Hasler in his first year back at the club compared to Browns first year and even now while he is shifting through the sh*t that he was left with.
 
For all the Brown haters. Tell us what he could have done or should do better? Let hear it from the experts?

Was it his signing of Ponga? Or was it Landing Pearce? Was it the fact we’ve brought in the Likes of Guerra who like forwards before him turn to junk and have a holiday here? I know maybe it’s how poor Fitz has become?

Maybe it’s the fact we have 2 million left in the cap to spend.

Maybe he should go spend the 2 million left on......................... nobody, we’ve had a crack TPJ we won’t get everyone we want, no one does.
 
No one is questioning his recruitment, of which much of the praise should go to Darren Mooney. Plenty are questioning his coaching, as they should.

It seems that the Brown cheer squad can't comprehend this, so I'll leave it at that.
 
slotmachine said:
No one is questioning his recruitment, of which much of the praise should go to Darren Mooney. Plenty are questioning his coaching, as they should.

It seems that the Brown cheer squad can't comprehend this, so I'll leave it at that.
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He has had one year with an ok roster to which got smashed with injuries?
 
slotmachine said:
No one is questioning his recruitment, of which much of the praise should go to Darren Mooney. Plenty are questioning his coaching, as they should.

It seems that the Brown cheer squad can't comprehend this, so I'll leave it at that.
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As I said the other week, would u blame Brown if our recruiting wasnt good? Yes you would...
You can't help but have something to complain about.
 
As a knights fan for over 20 years watching the side get hammered and pick up 3 spoons was obviously very hard and soul destroying I think most would agree with me?

When Brown came in we’d just gotten the first one so he can’t be blamed for that and who knows we might have even got the next two if Brown hadn’t decided to tear the place down and start from scratch. But facts are it was his decision to pull apart the roster and pretty much accept two more wooden spoons yes we’re now in a great salary cap position but I wonder how many other teams would have done the same thing after already getting the first spoon?

If we win a comp or maybe even 2 or 3 with Pearce, Ponga etc then it would all be worth it, but if we don’t win any comps before our next ‘rebuild’ which will likely be well before Brown’s tenure ends I think his whole mission would have to be looked as a failure.

If you’re going to go through what we had to for the last three years under him then you would want at the very least 1 premiership.

I guess if getting the spoon doesn’t worry you as much then you won’t see things how I do, but for me getting the spoon for the first time in 2005 was devastating, I look at Manly and I’m envious more of their record of never getting the spoon than their 8 titles, so picking up 3 in a row keeps me up at night still.

If Brown can deliver that premiership then I think I can make peace with the spoons, but if he doesn’t well it was a very painful and useless exercise.
 
Jaybro said:
As a knights fan for over 20 years watching the side get hammered and pick up 3 spoons was obviously very hard and soul destroying I think most would agree with me?

When Brown came in we’d just gotten the first one so he can’t be blamed for that and who knows we might have even got the next two if Brown hadn’t decided to tear the place down and start from scratch. But facts are it was his decision to pull apart the roster and pretty much accept two more wooden spoons yes we’re now in a great salary cap position but I wonder how many other teams would have done the same thing after already getting the first spoon?

If we win a comp or maybe even 2 or 3 with Pearce, Ponga etc then it would all be worth it, but if we don’t win any comps before our next ‘rebuild’ which will likely be well before Brown’s tenure ends I think his whole mission would have to be looked as a failure.

If you’re going to go through what we had to for the last three years under him then you would want at the very least 1 premiership.

I guess if getting the spoon doesn’t worry you as much then you won’t see things how I do, but for me getting the spoon for the first time in 2005 was devastating, I look at Manly and I’m envious more of their record of never getting the spoon than their 8 titles, so picking up 3 in a row keeps me up at night still.

If Brown can deliver that premiership then I think I can make peace with the spoons, but if he doesn’t well it was a very painful and useless exercise.
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IMO, I think this is bigger than just winning a premiership or 2 (as much as that is the goal each year). This is about transforming a team into a perennial contender, much like Storm, Roosters, etc.

I’d rather that than a short window where we are a chance to win a premiership. Look at the Bulldogs now. They made the GF in ‘12 and ‘14 which were successful seasons, but it clearly wasn’t sustainable. Hell, look at our run to the QF in ‘13 with Bennett and price we are now footing. With West’s behind us, I think Brown is hoping to set up long term, sustainable success.
 
knightime said:
IMO, I think this is bigger than just winning a premiership or 2 (as much as that is the goal each year). This is about transforming a team into a perennial contender, much like Storm, Roosters, etc.

I’d rather that than a short window where we are a chance to win a premiership. Look at the Bulldogs now. They made the GF in ‘12 and ‘14 which were successful seasons, but it clearly wasn’t sustainable. Hell, look at our run to the QF in ‘13 with Bennett and price we are now footing. With West’s behind us, I think Brown is hoping to set up long term, sustainable success.
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You have higher hopes than I buddy, I’d love to be fighting for a comp every year like those sides but in today’s game unless you’re the Storm, Roosters or Broncos you need to go down the depths of despair before you come back up.
 
Jaybro said:
As a knights fan for over 20 years watching the side get hammered and pick up 3 spoons was obviously very hard and soul destroying I think most would agree with me?

When Brown came in we’d just gotten the first one so he can’t be blamed for that and who knows we might have even got the next two if Brown hadn’t decided to tear the place down and start from scratch. But facts are it was his decision to pull apart the roster and pretty much accept two more wooden spoons yes we’re now in a great salary cap position but I wonder how many other teams would have done the same thing after already getting the first spoon?

If we win a comp or maybe even 2 or 3 with Pearce, Ponga etc then it would all be worth it, but if we don’t win any comps before our next ‘rebuild’ which will likely be well before Brown’s tenure ends I think his whole mission would have to be looked as a failure.

If you’re going to go through what we had to for the last three years under him then you would want at the very least 1 premiership.

I guess if getting the spoon doesn’t worry you as much then you won’t see things how I do, but for me getting the spoon for the first time in 2005 was devastating, I look at Manly and I’m envious more of their record of never getting the spoon than their 8 titles, so picking up 3 in a row keeps me up at night still.

If Brown can deliver that premiership then I think I can make peace with the spoons, but if he doesn’t well it was a very painful and useless exercise.
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Could be worse, you could be going for the Ipswich knights.. Just saying.
 
I don't look at Browns tenure with the Knights as building to a premiership or bust. A premiership would be great though :D.

From my perspective it isn't about that, it's about turning this club around, Brown is the coach we brought in to do that from the coaching perspective, doesn't mean he is the coach that will, or can, take us to the title.

We are certainly an improved club. and we may very well challenge for a top 8 spot next year, but the reality is we are still building the club back up again. We don't have very much depth to the club, and are still trying to outlay our full salary cap on players that are NRL standard. We still have players on the books that wouldn't see first grade at other clubs, or even get a contract.

It will take time to slowly filter through players and build the club playing roster up to where it needs to be, and along the way we can hopefully look forward to a gradual, but sustained improvement, regardless of who the coach is.
 
slotmachine said:
Lol. The bloke obviously can't coach defence, so apparently we need Wolfe to do that. Our attack got worse this year despite adding Pearce and Ponga.

So what does Brown actually do other than PR?

You could have picked a drunk bloke off the hill to sack everyone and do nothing else other than pick the team and they would have won 1 game.
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So is that the same with Bellyache then , He cant coach defence either because just like us he has a defence coach as well ...
 
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