Tevita Pangai Jnr

The young man is worth at least 350k and with the potential ahead id offer the twins a package deal of 5mil over 5-6yrs

88 , I am all for offering an incentive based upgrade for these young home grown talents as opposed to buying "young Turks " who think they are worth more than what the Club where they are blooded are offering.

But reality is these "home growns" need to have the Heighington / Lillyman ( all be he got injured ) type players to show what is expected and how to get them around the Paddock with purpose, to some extent this worked this year as there was not one report that indicated these 2 veterans slackened off whether training, playing ( application was there, impact waned ) or during injury recovery.

I understand that Billy believes we have a nursery full of "potential stars" but unfortunately stars are only made in our imaginations , in a real world they need to carved there reputation in" the heat of battle" out of blood , sweat and experience.
 
Dan could do a Klemmer atm, ask for a pay rise or im leaving.
The young man is worth at least 350k and with the potential ahead id offer the twins a package deal of 5mil over 5-6yrs
I'd be happy to offer dan at least 1/2 of 5 mil over 5-6 years. I'd want to see Jacob have an injury free season before I'd be throwing that sort of money at him. I guess after the matautia brothers I'm a bit hesitant of having 'package' deals.
 
I understand that Billy believes we have a nursery full of "potential stars" but unfortunately stars are only made in our imaginations , in a real world they need to carved there reputation in" the heat of battle" out of blood , sweat and experience.
I understand that people making up **** about me and slagging off at me gets very old, very fast.
 
I'd be cautious wrapping the twins up long term as a package at least.

But I agree they should be on a bit more than they are at the moment. Especially Dan.
 
If dan was on the market at the moment he would command at least $400,000 a season personally if there was another fan available I would offer more.
 
If dan was on the market at the moment he would command at least $400,000 a season personally if there was another fan available I would offer more.

I think he'd get way over 500k atm, 22yrs old in the worst team in the comp and still managed numbers any prop would happy take
 
At the start of the year Dan was a flop and everyone was getting cold feet on the twins. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we get similar issues next year. I'm praying an injury free preseason saves us from inconsistency.
 
I understand that people making up **** about me and slagging off at me gets very old, very fast.
Billy, I am not slagging you or making anything up about you - you have been pushing our “youth nursery” for ages and I agree there should be more done to give them an incentive based pathway.

Cause believe it or not the jump from being a junior Star to holding your own in Reggie’s is beyond most candidates let alone the quantum leap into NRL , there are thousands of 20 year old “regional Stars “ around the country (every team has one stand out) and maybe one has the full package to make it- there is Skill, Talent, physical and mental aspects in association with attitude and application but the real test is how they react to adversity, specifically injury and criticism of performance.

How do you identify the individuals who should be invested in? as they all evolve at different times and periods.

Forget Knights for a moment and look at another single NRL region like say the Cowboys who have missed some real Stars to other Clubs. The obvious ones are Ponga, Homes , DCE, Munster, Guerra, Thaiday and then there are other current NRL players like Nene, Kurt Mann, Ryhse Martin , Segyaro, question is would say a Club like Broncos have
1. Identified
2. Developed
3. Retained
This talent base.

Now how do we approach the same situation and have we learnt anything ?
 
I think he'd get way over 500k atm, 22yrs old in the worst team in the comp and still managed numbers any prop would happy take
I personally think he is worth at least $500,000 the reason I said $400000 is he doesn't seem to get as much of a wrap outside of newcastle. I rate him as one of the best young props in the game .
 
A lot of people are going to be rolling around in a puddle of their own tears by the end of the year when we get none of these blokes, and then the “what if?” is going to be thrown around something deluxe. Fact of the matter is, we need to be chasing the players we need no matter the sum. TPJ is the only decent talent available at this stage and until such time as other players get cold feet/become available we can’t do much else. The club/Browny/most of the NRL obviously see something in the guy enough to want to chase him hard and I trust their judgement enough from what I’ve seen of our recruits from this year.
 
A lot of people are going to be rolling around in a puddle of their own tears by the end of the year when we get none of these blokes, and then the “what if?” is going to be thrown around something deluxe. Fact of the matter is, we need to be chasing the players we need no matter the sum. TPJ is the only decent talent available at this stage and until such time as other players get cold feet/become available we can’t do much else. The club/Browny/most of the NRL obviously see something in the guy enough to want to chase him hard and I trust their judgement enough from what I’ve seen of our recruits from this year.

Would rather hang onto the money than waste it.
 
I get we need players I just don't think TPJ is worth $500k let alone $800k, players always become available in the offseason we've made it known we have spots to fill, patience will pay off again rather than throwing our bank at a player who's likely to be another Sims for us.
 
I'd be cautious wrapping the twins up long term as a package at least.

But I agree they should be on a bit more than they are at the moment. Especially Dan.

Jacob shouldn't be on any more, has yet to find any consistency in his game & as of this year became a fringe first-grader who was not an automatic pick in our 17 with everyone fit.
 
You guys are crazy. TPJ is a weapon. One of the few forwards in the game who can single handily change it. He’s the closest thing to Taumalolo.

Yes, he’s only had one good year in the NRL, but his trajectory is pointing sky high and he’s only 22 years old. He’s a mountain of a man, great athleticism for his size, very skillful for a forward, can play any position in the forward pack, and he’s got that hustle which erases that “lazy” label. I distinctly recall him wining a game for the Broncos off the back of his defence, and that was him busting his *** and making back-to-back plays on the try line when he was out flat on his feet. He’s helped them win many other games too with his impact in both attack and defence.

$800K seems to be the reports, which I agree seems overs, but reports are often wrong or exaggerated, so I won’t take that as gospel. Even if we go off those reports, Cordner and Gillett are on that amount. I’d take TPJ and his sky high potential moving forward over both of them right now, despite their impressive resumes. Crichton signed a huge contract with Roosters too. I really like Crichton, but they’re different players and I think TPJ is way more damaging.
 
Billy, I am not slagging you or making anything up about you - you have been pushing our “youth nursery” for ages and I agree there should be more done to give them an incentive based pathway.

Cause believe it or not the jump from being a junior Star to holding your own in Reggie’s is beyond most candidates let alone the quantum leap into NRL , there are thousands of 20 year old “regional Stars “ around the country (every team has one stand out) and maybe one has the full package to make it- there is Skill, Talent, physical and mental aspects in association with attitude and application but the real test is how they react to adversity, specifically injury and criticism of performance.

How do you identify the individuals who should be invested in? as they all evolve at different times and periods.

Forget Knights for a moment and look at another single NRL region like say the Cowboys who have missed some real Stars to other Clubs. The obvious ones are Ponga, Homes , DCE, Munster, Guerra, Thaiday and then there are other current NRL players like Nene, Kurt Mann, Ryhse Martin , Segyaro, question is would say a Club like Broncos have
1. Identified
2. Developed
3. Retained
This talent base.

Now how do we approach the same situation and have we learnt anything ?

How you're saying it though implies that Billy thinks we shouldn't sign any senior forwards whatsoever because we have all these stars in the juniors that don't need any help. He's got some strong opinions, but his views aren't that extreme.
 
People saying we shouldn’t waste our money on TPJ and go for Klemmer, Klemmer isn’t really a viable option he’s under contract and the Dogs will sort his upgrade.

TPJ off contract and he has tournthe facilities, much more realistic.
 
How you're saying it though implies that Billy thinks we shouldn't sign any senior forwards whatsoever because we have all these stars in the juniors that don't need any help. He's got some strong opinions, but his views aren't that extreme.

Josh , how did you come up with that ? when in a lead statement I said “But reality is these "home growns" need to have the Heighington / Lillyman”

I agree with a lot of what Billy says, its just that there is a big step up from playing well in juniors or even playing well in NRL as a filling fringe player to being a consistent first pick in a NRL team.
By getting players who have been there or better still are there, gives these young boys exposure to what is required.

I personally think the Safs and Esse would benefit greatly by the signing of a acknowledged , experienced , dominating prop from out side our system, to show and lead the way on field.

The other part of the puzzle is to identify out of this huge “ talent pool” who will make it long term and who deserves the effort and resources required to develop these players.
 
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